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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

God does not change? Are you serious? You cannot be a New Testament believer and say that this is accurate.

So, are we still to kill disobedient children by stoning? Remember, this is from the same One God.



What do YOU say about this?

Mal 3:6 "For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Be careful Ferd or you might end up backsliding right before our eyes...after all to disagree with them is to be heading in that direction according to EB it seems

You get pretty upset when you are found wrong.

I hope you don't carry a gun.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Deer hunting? You know a lot of criminals who are deer? Any deer starting any wars? What about fishing poles and fishing hooks? We are talking about self-defense and what the Bible TEACHES on it. Jesus said turn the other cheek, and therefore by Jesus' teaching they were not to retaliate. That's pretty simple.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

EB once again ignoring someones point. His point, in case EB did not understand it, is that EB keeps resorting to an argument from silence, where by if the bible does not specifically say you can use a gun for self defense then it's wrong. Yet when others point out other things the bible does not specifically permit and when asked if they are wrong too EB avoids the point altogether. Perhaps that is a good sign though that EB realizes his argument from silence is fallacious. Though it still baffles the mind why he holds onto it like a hungry dog holding on to a bone.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Lord love you Elder, can you please explain the meaning of Matthew 5:38-39

Mat 5:38-39

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye RESIST NOT evil: but whosoever shall SMITE thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Now we are told by Jesus Christ not to resist evil, which in the Greek ανθιστημι means withstand, oppose, and resist. We are told NOT to oppose evil, withstand evil. We are told throughout the scripture to withstand with απολογία, apologia, to make a verbal defense, speech in defense, or a reasoned statement or argument to protect the Gospel.

Please Elder show me the meaning of Matthew 5:38-39.

Lord love your heart.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I sincerely love and appreciate you too....thou soul winner.

The text of Matt. 5:38 and 39 has to do with retalation which I am against. I do not believe in retalation. I believe in defense in serious situations. However, Jesus said not to resist the evil of being slapped on the cheek. The godly thing to do would be to take it. This is the point that Jesus was making. Certainly, I pray that I will have the grace and godliness to take a smack if I should ever be given one, for the sake of Jesus.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You get pretty upset when you are found wrong.

I hope you don't carry a gun.

LOL...

I have it on good authority that he is not above turning the other cheek.

btw, he is not wrong in this case. He made a very poignant point that is being avoided altogether.

[Praxeas]

Thank you. BTW the only gun I have ever owned is an air gun...

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

simple enough, but he failed to show his assertion that Peter did NOT pray nor have faith before Pentecost. Yet Peter walked on water, cast out devils and healed the sick. Strange.

Can you imagine that? All those people being healed because they had faith according to Jesus and here a man Jesus chose as an Apostle was faithless?! And he suggests Im backslidden? Goodness. Some people will do or say anything just to win an argument

Amazing coming from Christians

Did Peter have FAITH and did he PRAY before Jesus' arrest? Let's look at the facts:

1. Jesus warned that Peter's faith would be tested. When Jesus' arrest took place, Peter's faith failed him and he denied the Lord three times.

Luke 22:32-34
(32) But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
(33) And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
(34) And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

Mark 14:67-72
(67) And when she saw Peter warming himself, she looked upon him, and said, And thou also wast with Jesus of Nazareth.
(68) But he denied, saying, I know not, neither understand I what thou sayest. And he went out into the porch; and the cock crew.
(69) And a maid saw him again, and began to say to them that stood by, This is one of them.
(70) And he denied it again. And a little after, they that stood by said again to Peter, Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilaean, and thy speech agreeth thereto.
(71) But he began to curse and to swear, saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak.
(72) And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

2. Jesus asked Peter to pray before this arrest, but the Bible says that Jesus found Peter sleeping instead.

Luke 22:40, 45-46
(40) And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.
(45) And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,
(46) And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

Peter's prayer life and faith level BEFORE Pentecost? Well, we have no record of Peter's prayer life before this time. We have record of him being there when Jesus prayed. Concerning his faith; "miracles" such as Peter's are little evidence of one’s true faith. Remember, Judas was also a partaker of some of these miracles. The Bible says the "just shall live by his faith." The biblical understanding of faith is not what one believes, but instead how one lives his life because of what he believes. This is why the Bible says, “The just shall live by his FAITH” (See Romans 1:17; Galatians 3:11; Hebrews 10:38), because one’s faith is shown by their FAITHFULNESS.

This understanding agrees with James' statement concerning faith without works is dead (See James 2:17, 20, 26). Peter did not have this level of faith before Pentecost. Jesus said to him: “Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak” (Mark 14:38). Jesus said Peter’s faith would be tested. He also told him, “When thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren” (Luke 22:32b). Notice that after his faith failed he would then be converted to a faith that would be life-changing. But this was to come AFTER.

Next point?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Mal 3:6 "For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

So are we to still have rebellious children stoned?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

EB once again ignoring someones point. His point, in case EB did not understand it, is that EB keeps resorting to an argument from silence, where by if the bible does not specifically say you can use a gun for self defense then it's wrong. Yet when others point out other things the bible does not specifically permit and when asked if they are wrong too EB avoids the point altogether. Perhaps that is a good sign though that EB realizes his argument from silence is fallacious. Though it still baffles the mind why he holds onto it like a hungry dog holding on to a bone.

Good points by yourself and DT. Many truly conservatives ignore or change the subjects on things they can't ruly defend biblically or otherwise.

Blessings, Rhoni

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

MAN THIS IS GETTNG OLD. I have answered it five times.

Why don't you respond to my answer and quit asking me to RESPOND. There is a point that this discussion can become insane, a leap beyond absurd.

Are you not reading them at all? Do you need a post number in case you missed it???

Elder, you have NEVER answered this. Does God still want parents to have their rebellious children stoned? Yes or no?

Is that simple enough?