Elder, you have NEVER answered this. Does God still want parents to have their rebellious children stoned? Yes or no?
Is that simple enough?
Your question is beyond being ridiclous.
God is NOT now or has he ever been a cruel fiend lusting for blood, as you are trying to make it sound here.
The short answer to your misdirected question is: NO. God has never WANTED to see children or anyone else stoned todeath. He has never had a NEED for to see shed blood of children in the home or the slain on the battle field.
WANT is the wrong question since he has not now or ever has he had such a WANT in ages past. Since God is now and always has been a merciful God it is obvious that according to his nature, I suspect that he would WANT to see life spared, since he is a life giving God. But a WANT or a HANKERING to see death of children or anyone else is not true to his nature...no not NOW or has it EVER been his nature to WANT such a horrible thing.
Again the answer is NO. He does not WANT to see the death of a child or does he WANT to see the death of a soldier.
Your question is greatly misdirected...far from its mark.
Did Peter have FAITH and did he PRAY before Jesus' arrest? Let's look at the facts:
See this is typical. You are changing the original assertion and the facts. The assertion was made by EB that Peter had no faith and did not pray BEFORE Pentecost and then he set out trying to prove that by quoting scriptures that show Peter sleeping while Jesus was praying and then Peter's failure. Sorry but that does not prove Peter had no faith and did not pray before Pentecost
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1. Jesus warned that Peter's faith would be tested. When Jesus' arrest took place, Peter's faith failed him and he denied the Lord three times.
But EB said Peter had NO faith! How can Peter's faith be tested if he had no faith? How can Peter's faith fail him if he had no faith? Hello? Peter had faith before Pentecost. In fact unless the bible is a liar ALL men have a measure of faith given to them by God, yes even before Pentecost.
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2. Jesus asked Peter to pray before this arrest, but the Bible says that Jesus found Peter sleeping instead.
So how does that prove Peter never prayed before Pentecost? All that shows is while they were there praying Peter and the others fell asleep. That does not prove EBs assertion that Peter had no faith and did not pray before Pentecost
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Peter's prayer life and faith level BEFORE Pentecost? Well, we have no record of Peter's prayer life before this time.
Yet EB is claiming absulutely that Peter did NOT pray and did NOT have faith before Pentecost and you are slapping him on the back as if you agree....odd
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We have record of him being there when Jesus prayed. Concerning his faith; "miracles" such as Peter's are little evidence of one’s true faith.
Baloney! They could NOT do any miracles without the faith. If Peter had NO faith as EB is asserting and you are slapping him on the back in agreement, Peter never could have cast out a single demon or heal the sick.
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Remember, Judas was also a partaker of some of these miracles. The Bible says the "just shall live by his faith."
Judas had faith too. The bible says ALL men have a measure of faith given to them. In fact you already agreed Peter had some measure of faith when you said his faith was tested!
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The biblical understanding of faith is not what one believes, but instead how one lives his life because of what he believes. This is why the Bible says, “The just shall live by his FAITH” (See Romans 1:17; Galatians 3:11; Hebrews 10:38), because one’s faith is shown by their FAITHFULNESS
NOT TRUE! Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Every man has a measure of faith, but not every man is saved. Muslims are faithful to the quran, does that mean they have faith because they are faithFUL? Jesus said the reason he could not heal or do a lot of miracles is because the people lacked the faith to receive them. That proves faith is necessary for the miracles to happen, yet of all those many many people that were healed and received miracles only 120 were there on the day of Pentecost. They did not follow Jesus
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This understanding agrees with James' statement concerning faith without works is dead (See James 2:17, 20, 26). Peter did not have this level of faith before Pentecost. Jesus said to him: “Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak” (Mark 14:38). Jesus said Peter’s faith would be tested. He also told him, “When thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren” (Luke 22:32b). Notice that after his faith failed he would then be converted to a faith that would be life-changing. But this was to come AFTER.
Nobody asked about a LEVEL of faith. See, like EB, you are changing the subject. This is a classic strawman argument. The topic was EB claims that Peter had NO faith and NO prayer before Pentecost. Then when I thumped you both on that topic you both resorted to logical fallacies by trying to9 change what it was we were actually talking about
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Lost and Found asserted implicitly that God does indeed change.
To which I quoted scripture
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Originally Posted by Praxeas Mal 3:6 "For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
To which Lost and Found replied
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
So are we to still have rebellious children stoned?
So what's your take on that verse? You claimed God DOES change and Malachi says otherwise, Is Malachi wrong? You need to do more than try to switch the burden of proof or introduce red herrings and explain this verse.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Thank you. BTW the only gun I have ever owned is an air gun...
Angry donut eater shoots evangelist in the left cheek, after evangelist proves donut eater wrong.
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Be careful Ferd or you might end up backsliding right before our eyes...after all to disagree with them is to be heading in that direction according to EB it seems
LOL! i aint backsliding or front sliding. Im pretty much right where i have always been. I guess IAM took my name!
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See this is typical. You are changing the original assertion and the facts. The assertion was made by EB that Peter had no faith and did not pray BEFORE Pentecost and then he set out trying to prove that by quoting scriptures that show Peter sleeping while Jesus was praying and then Peter's failure. Sorry but that does not prove Peter had no faith and did not pray before Pentecost
But EB said Peter had NO faith! How can Peter's faith be tested if he had no faith? How can Peter's faith fail him if he had no faith? Hello? Peter had faith before Pentecost. In fact unless the bible is a liar ALL men have a measure of faith given to them by God, yes even before Pentecost.
So how does that prove Peter never prayed before Pentecost? All that shows is while they were there praying Peter and the others fell asleep. That does not prove EBs assertion that Peter had no faith and did not pray before Pentecost
Yet EB is claiming absulutely that Peter did NOT pray and did NOT have faith before Pentecost and you are slapping him on the back as if you agree....odd
Baloney! They could NOT do any miracles without the faith. If Peter had NO faith as EB is asserting and you are slapping him on the back in agreement, Peter never could have cast out a single demon or heal the sick.
Judas had faith too. The bible says ALL men have a measure of faith given to them. In fact you already agreed Peter had some measure of faith when you said his faith was tested!
NOT TRUE! Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Every man has a measure of faith, but not every man is saved. Muslims are faithful to the quran, does that mean they have faith because they are faithFUL? Jesus said the reason he could not heal or do a lot of miracles is because the people lacked the faith to receive them. That proves faith is necessary for the miracles to happen, yet of all those many many people that were healed and received miracles only 120 were there on the day of Pentecost. They did not follow Jesus
Nobody asked about a LEVEL of faith. See, like EB, you are changing the subject. This is a classic strawman argument. The topic was EB claims that Peter had NO faith and NO prayer before Pentecost. Then when I thumped you both on that topic you both resorted to logical fallacies by trying to9 change what it was we were actually talking about
Praxeas, why is it that ever since I first gazed at one of your posts (FCF) you always mange to accuse (whoever you're arguing with) that they are trying to build a strawman argument with you?
The Peter situation is real simple; you are making it complex. You're wrong, live with it. Stop rabbit trailing and stick with the issue. Jesus didn't intend for Peter to be stabbing and slabbing the high priest's servant at Jesus' arrest. Jesus told Peter that Peter faith was as weak as your air rifle, and Peter sank because he was faithless and doubted. Countless Apostolic Ministers have preached these issues across the U.S.A. If this happens to be the first time you are hearing this information that is fine also, then all you need to do is pull up a chair and allow L&F to teach you.
Jesus never taught self defense nor had He ever asked Peter to snatch a pebble out of His hand.
Praxeas, the New Covenant Church is non-retaliation
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Hey, let me know when your left cheek heals since it's obviously affected your ability to make intelligent responses.
What's wrong still upset? Easy does it Praxeas don't get your Dasiy air rifle in an uproar. Do you use it to shoot at your strawman?
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