True! My question, though, had to do with using Jesus as our example, specifically in L&F's post.
I guess we need to pick carefully which of his actions use as examples. E.g., not the killing in response to an offense. In God's case, touching the ark or lying about what we gave warranted some killings. But in my case, I shouldn't kill my son if he doesn't do the dishes when I told him to, should I?
Timmy,
Thanks for your question.
Your question is not new here. It has already been dealt with in earlier posts. But to answer it again, let me ask you to put into context the following things:
1. While being espoused to a man, if a woman is found impregnated by another man, she was to be stoned according to the Law of God.
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Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a damsel that is a virgin be BETROTHED UNTO A HUSBAND, and A MAN FIND HER IN THE CITY, AND LIE WITH HER; (24) Then ye shall BRING THEM BOTH out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall STONE THEM WITH STONES THAT THEY DIE; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
2. Mary was espoused to Joseph but was found impregnated by (supposedly) another man.
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Matthew 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, WAS MINDED TO PUT HER AWAY PRIVILY.
His thinking about putting her away indicates that she had been with another man. Joseph had God’s Word that he was to stone Mary for her infidelity, yet he chose to divorce Mary.
3. The Bible says that Joseph was a “just man.” This means he was one that kept the Law of God. It also says because Joseph kept the Law he chose to divorce Mary secretly and to not make her sin public knowledge.
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Matthew 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, BEING A JUST MAN, AND NOT WILLING TO MAKE HER A PUBLIC EXAMPLE, was minded to put her away privily.
But is THAT what the Law said to do? Did it? What I am going to ask you next, I ask not in jest, or to bait you, but with sincerity. Here is your question: since Joseph did not stone Mary as God’s Word provided, why did the same Word of God call him “JUST” for his choice?
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I believe you need to heed your own advice. You'd feel much better afterwards. This is real life.
Yet another indicator that you are so wrong in your attitude towards this issue we have been discussing. You came and posted with a cavalier bravado and started to swagger around spouting off at the mouth. You were rebuked, and it stung (hence your embarrassment) instead of making it right you decided to continue your immature behavior. Should you own a weapon of self-defense? Free country, but you don't live in a state that allows you the luxury to kill an attacker. Florida was the first to initiate the "stand your ground law" in 2004, and Mississippi voted against a deadly force for self-defense law. The state of Wisconsin also has no such law of "stand your ground,” and so you with your nickel plated .44 you would blow a gaping wound through your angry Missippian, you would have had to face some pretty heavy charges.
So no apology huh preacher lady?
See the headlines “Wisconsin female preacher’s husband sets up unarmed man to be shot to death on their front porch.” Sister you are the one, who dropped the watermelon, have your husband apologize for your behavior.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Your question is not new here. It has already been dealt with in earlier posts. But to answer it again, let me ask you to put into context the following things:
1. While being espoused to a man, if a woman is found impregnated by another man, she was to be stoned according to the Law of God.
2. Mary was espoused to Joseph but was found impregnated by (supposedly) another man.
His thinking about putting her away indicates that she had been with another man. Joseph had God’s Word that he was to stone Mary for her infidelity, yet he chose to divorce Mary.
3. The Bible says that Joseph was a “just man.” This means he was one that kept the Law of God. It also says because Joseph kept the Law he chose to divorce Mary secretly and to not make her sin public knowledge.
But is THAT what the Law said to do? Did it? What I am going to ask you next, I ask not in jest, or to bait you, but with sincerity. Here is your question: since Joseph did not stone Mary as God’s Word provided, why did the same Word of God call him “JUST” for his choice?
Good question. My answer: Joseph was better than blindly following a law that he saw as too harsh. That Joseph actually disobeyed this law, apparently with God's blessing, is interesting. Joseph was still under the old covenant, so he literally disobeyed that law. Or was the new covenant already beginning to take effect, years before the cross?
But, that's not what I was asking. I wasn't asking about the law -- which OT laws we should obey, which ones we can ignore, etc. I asked about your post saying that Jesus is our example in all things. Is Jesus, even in the OT, our example in all things? I don't see an OT example for Joseph to follow in deciding to disobey that law. How did he know it was better to show mercy on Mary than have her killed?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Good question. My answer: Joseph was better than blindly following a law that he saw as too harsh. That Joseph actually disobeyed this law, apparently with God's blessing, is interesting. Joseph was still under the old covenant, so he literally disobeyed that law. Or was the new covenant already beginning to take effect, years before the cross?
But, that's not what I was asking. I wasn't asking about the law -- which OT laws we should obey, which ones we can ignore, etc. I asked about your post saying that Jesus is our example in all things. Is Jesus, even in the OT, our example in all things? I don't see an OT example for Joseph to follow in deciding to disobey that law. How did he know it was better to show mercy on Mary than have her killed?
Tim are you in a church?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
bro ben, i dont agree with you much of the time but i have and always will make it a practice to give respect even without agreement, lady rev is a friend of mine, i have known her for over 20 years , she is a good youth leader and a fine lady, you dont know her at all, please leave her to her own convictions, give her the same respect without agreement that we all deserve, thanks, dt
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Yet another indicator that you are so wrong in your attitude towards this issue we have been discussing. You came and posted with a cavalier bravado and started to swagger around spouting off at the mouth.
Actually, I posted no differently than you or other "men" on this thread. You just have a problem with women that aren't afraid to speak out. Thats the root of this issue.
If I had posted the same things in what you personally believe to be stereotypical "female" fashion, you wouldn't have responded as you have.
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You were rebuked, and it stung (hence your embarrassment) instead of making it right you decided to continue your immature behavior.
Rebuke? What rebuke? Embarrassment? What embarrassment?
I sincerely doubt I'd ever need to use a gun in self defense where I currently live but where I used to live, in the Memphis TN area, only a complete idiot doesn't take some sort of precautions, whether that be a firearm or some other type of precaution.
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The state of Wisconsin also has no such law of "stand your ground,” and so you with your nickel plated .44 you would blow a gaping wound through your angry Missippian, you would have had to face some pretty heavy charges.
Mississippian? Try Tennessean. You speak as if I would take pleasure in having to shoot someone. Which is hardly the case. But of course, how would you know that? You are making alot of ignorant statements based on assumptions only.
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So no apology huh preacher lady?
Apology for what? Stating facts? Stating my opinions and beliefs? I think not.
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See the headlines “Wisconsin female preacher’s husband sets up unarmed man to be shot to death on their front porch.” Sister you are the one, who dropped the watermelon, have your husband apologize for your behavior.
Truth be told, my husband would be quicker to shoot than I would. And the man who made the threat was armed and shortly fired from his job where he made this threat. You see, my husband was his boss.
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bro ben, i dont agree with you much of the time but i have and always will make it a practice to give respect even without agreement, lady rev is a friend of mine, i have known her for over 20 years , she is a good youth leader and a fine lady, you dont know her at all, please leave her to her own convictions, give her the same respect without agreement that we all deserve, thanks, dt
Thanks my friend but with this brother, it will never happen. But thanks for trying.
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"The only thing worse than murder in the desert is to know where the water is and not tell it!"
bro ben, i dont agree with you much of the time but i have and always will make it a practice to give respect even without agreement, lady rev is a friend of mine, i have known her for over 20 years , she is a good youth leader and a fine lady, you dont know her at all, please leave her to her own convictions, give her the same respect without agreement that we all deserve, thanks, dt
DT, you need to talk to the youth leader. Maybe you couldn't speak to her.
She posted this on the thread;
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Originally Posted by LadyRev
When we lived in the Memphis area and a certain man got angry with my husband and threatened to come to our house and do bodily harm to ME, my husband said, go ahead and try it. She'll meet you at the door with a loaded
.44 and she won't hesitate to use it.
What was your responce to the above?
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh
wow ladyrev, go girl, sounds like my house but there is only me, lol, dt
Please, respect is earned DT, and all this tough guy macho mess is sickening.
We are Apostolics, holiness, followers of Jesus Christ, and your youth leader is bragging about having her husband set some guy up to meet his gun-toting wife at their front door? Who's youth is this Sister leading? I don't know her? I see what she was writing. It's pretty clear to me and some others that it's pretty unorthodox behavior for a preacher, let alone a female preacher.
DT, don't defend her actions she is wrong.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Thanks my friend but with this brother, it will never happen. But thanks for trying.
So you think that what you said you would teach to your YOUTH that you lead?
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Originally Posted by LadyRev
When we lived in the Memphis area and a certain man got angry with my husband and threatened to come to our house and do bodily harm to ME, my husband said, go ahead and try it. She'll meet you at the door with a loaded
.44 and she won't hesitate to use it.
This is called premeditated murder not self-defense. I know that you were just acting the cowboy here, but Sister what you said was wrong. Was this the truth? Do you and your husband say this to people who get angry with you all? You have the nerve to say something about my family and myself?
Remember what you said Sister, you would DO IT...WITHOUT HESITATION.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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