Communication is found in the Bible Praxeas, clothes are found in the Bible, transportation is found in the Bible, eating meat is found in the Bible.
taking a life is found in the bible too. But you asked about specific KIND Of killing. So I am asking about specific KINDS Of communication.
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The New Testament church has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching self-defense especially defense with lethal force.
Prove to me that the OT is not to be used at all. Are you saying you never use the OT? BTW the NT has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching the use of electricity, pews, church buildings, PA systems, tracts, sunday schools a LOT Of things. That does not make them WRONG to do or use.
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Then were's your soild BIBLE refutation?
I refuted all of your assertions. When you make an assertion it's not someone else job to prove your assertions but to refute your assertions.
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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Why just in the New Testament? See that PROVES you know you don't have a chance. You have to limit the scope of answers in order to win. That's like playing a game of football with someone and telling them the rules are THEY can't pass or run the ball. Not very honest.
Oh we are liars? Nice Praxeas, I guess Brother Matthew knows you well and was very fast to show that you were not ready to present any kind of argument from the scriptures. We still have you throwing a tantrum, but we still have no New Testament scriptures, or that Jesus used any OT to present any kind of opening for the Christian community to have a standing army. Please present your case. We are more than willing to see what you have to offer.
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You all never did answer MY questions I asked a long time ago about the death penalty or imprisonment.
L&F answered you, did you happen to view his post? Like I said go and present your case.
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BTW do you think Jesus is going to come back and have tea and cookies with his enemies or is he going to destroy them?
BTW when you can show me the use of a computer in the NT or internet or car, or church buildings, or pews or pulpits etc etc....then come talk to me.
Communication is found in the Bible Praxeas, clothes are found in the Bible, transportation is found in the Bible, eating meat is found in the Bible.
Your arguments are weak and you refuse to present anything scriptural.
The return of Christ is God destroying His enemies, not Christians taking up arms and killing His enemies, yet another one of your strawman arguments, yet again more proof of you projecting again.
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Timmy, you are not answering this. Of course this IS about Jesus. My question concerns His birth. This came from His OT plan. Look again. You need to look up what the Law and the Law Giver--Jesus--said about the Law. Look again, Timmy.
What am I not answering? I answered your question about Joseph. But I don't see the relevance to my question about example.
You are Oneness, aren't you? You do believe that Jesus = God, throughout the NT and OT, don't you? You said Jesus is our example in all things. Well, is he always our example, or is he not? If not, how can we tell when he is and when he is not?
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taking a life is found in the bible too. But you asked about specific KIND Of killing. So I am asking about specific KINDS Of communication.
What kind of killing Praxeas?
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Prove to me that the OT is not to be used at all.
Never said it wasn't Jesus is the consumation of the law. This is yet another strawman. I or L&F have never said anything like that. Again proving that it is YOU who are constantly presenting the strawman arguments. Proves us wrong with scripture Praxeas, it's starting to get boring.
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Are you saying you never use the OT?
No one is saying that, but since you're clearly ready to bring something forward by all means we await your argument.
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BTW the NT has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching the use of electricity, pews, church buildings, PA systems, tracts, sunday schools a LOT Of things. That does not make them WRONG to do or use.
We have presented scriptures you have presented philosophy. We still have a case you have nothing with any teeth to it. They had lamps, they had chairs, they had buildings, and YOU HAVE NO SCRIPTURAL DEFENCE.
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I refuted all of your assertions.
You see Praxeas that is just what you believe. Alas you have failed to present a strong case for your doctrine therefore it's non existent. All you have is a thought that what you believe is true. You cannot prove it in light of the Bible. Brother Matthew, L&F, and myself have given you scripture and you didn't refute anything. You played semantics and your argument fell short.
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When you make an assertion it's not someone else job to prove your assertions but to refute your assertions.
No, we are presenting scriptural facts it is then your job to prove it right or wrong. You have done nothing.
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What am I not answering? I answered your question about Joseph. But I don't see the relevance to my question about example.
You are Oneness, aren't you? You do believe that Jesus = God, throughout the NT and OT, don't you? You said Jesus is our example in all things. Well, is he always our example, or is he not? If not, how can we tell when he is and when he is not?
Did you answer me? Are you attending a church? Are you Trinitarian?
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~Declaration of Independence
Oh we are liars? Nice Praxeas, I guess Brother Matthew knows you well and was very fast to show that you were not ready to present any kind of argument from the scriptures. We still have you throwing a tantrum, but we still have no New Testament scriptures, or that Jesus used any OT to present any kind of opening for the Christian community to have a standing army.
lol, oh brother. Your posts get more and more sophomoric.
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Communication is found in the Bible Praxeas, clothes are found in the Bible, transportation is found in the Bible, eating meat is found in the Bible.
Your arguments are weak and you refuse to present anything scriptural.
The return of Christ is God destroying His enemies, not Christians taking up arms and killing His enemies, yet another one of your strawman arguments, yet again more proof of you projecting again.
Killing is found in the bible. And clearly you don't even know what the word "strawman argument" even means.
Pontificating and stomping your feet is not going to make you some how more right than everyone else, nor is repeating yourself over and over ad nauseum.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Did you answer me? Are you attending a church? Are you Trinitarian?
Yes, I attend church. I am a trinitarian who sees merit to both sides. There is a oneness in God's nature, and there is a threeness. I'm content to leave it at that. I don't see how either side can be so dogmatic about it, even to the point of saying the other side is lost.
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Alas you have failed to present a strong case for your doctrine therefore it's non existent.
I don't have a "doctrine" on weapons. What I have is a couple of people who feel they can judge someone for protecting their families and are trying desperately to use the bible to do it but have so far failed to show one scripture that condemns protecting peoples lives, even by violence. All you have done is shown that retribution is wrong, to which I agree.
My "doctrine" then is if the bible says to do it, we do it. If the bible says NOT to do it then we don't do it. Anything else is your own personal conviction.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
lol, oh brother. Your posts get more and more sophomoric.
Killing is found in the bible. And clearly you don't even know what the word "strawman argument" even means.
Pontificating and stomping your feet is not going to make you some how more right than everyone else, nor is repeating yourself over and over ad nauseum.
More projecting? Are you married, have children?
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