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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That is all going to defend on your defintion of "attacker" and "defender".
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Excuse me but language is language, it doesn't matter what I feel the definition is I must except the true meaning of words. If you are saying that a person is being attacked, and then you attack the attacker, both of you are engaged in what is called mortal combat, which means fighting to the death. Why? Because you have told us that you would fight with intent to use deadly force. You're no longer trying to prevent anything because preventative is before the fact and not after. During the crime you will be in the vengeance mode. Let's understand the word, vengeance means...
Vengeance \Venge"ance\, n. [F. vengeance, fr. venger to avenge,
L. vindicare to lay claim to, DEFEND, avenge, fr. vindex a claimant, defender, avenger, the first part of which is of
uncertain origin, and the last part akin to dicere to say.
See Diction, and cf. Avenge, Revenge, Vindicate.]
1. Punishment inflicted in return for an injury or an
offense; retribution; -- often, in a bad sense, passionate
or unrestrained revenge.
As far as Webster’s' 1913 dictionary is concerned what the Bible speaks against is exactly what you claim is right and good for a Christian to defend their families with deadly force. Vengeance is the Lord's ONLY, and not ours. Those people in 1913 would have disagreed with you when they looked in their dictionaries and found that to defend someone in mortal combat is retaliating in vengeance. Therefore it is not what Jesus sanctioned.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
As I said before...I did not just say "prevent" but I also said stop.
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To stop someone or something is not using deadly force, but simply stopping something that has been placed in motion. I stop my car; I stop a child from running out in the street, and stop an angry husband from putting his fist through a car window. Stopping someone or something is far from using deadly force.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Law enforcement often end up stoping crimes in the proces of being committed.
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You're correct in your choice of words by using the word "often" they often stop crimes in the process of being committed. This means it's frequently done and therefore we don't have a record of people being shot to death by law enforcement.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
They often have to subdue individuals by violent force. And if they feel their life is threatened can use deadly force.
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The law enforcement agent is not going out with this in mind everyday. The main focus of the officer is NOT to get into a situation at all cost. This must be the main focus. Even a solider while around civilians in a foreign land must keep as a main focus that to make sure that nothing they do with cause a situation to escalate. True prevention to make sure that every precaution is made before a situation gets out of hand. If we stay focused on Jesus Christ while the winds and waves are contrary He will be able to pull us out.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I have seen many times a guy was driving towards a cop in his car and the officer felt his life was being threatened. He and the other cops open fire to kill so they can stop him from continuing being a threat
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Oh my lands!!! Where do you live? Bagdad?
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