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Old 08-10-2007, 11:41 PM
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Regarding Benny Hinn and his type:


Mt 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Contrary to what I have heard many say, the word "suffereth" does mean "allows" in this scripture. The scripture is saying the Kingdom is under attack. People like Benny Hinn latch on to the things of God and take them by force.

With that said, I got the impression the writer of this article may be going too far in the opposite direction. I believe God still heals and performs miracles in people's lives.
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Old 08-10-2007, 11:46 PM
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I wonder what we could do if we would just start looking at everything from Gods viewpoint??
Amen, God "calleth those things that be not as though they were" KJV
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God "speaks of the nonexistent things [that He has foretold and promised] as if they [already] existed. Amplified
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God "speaks of future events with as much certainty as though they were already past!" The Living Bible
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Old 08-10-2007, 11:56 PM
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... I believe God still heals and performs miracles in people's lives.
I do too, but I don't think it's wrapped up in the neat little package that we'd like to see it in.

Some folks don't get healed and I don't think it's because of sin in their lives or because they don't have enough faith.

Hebrews 11 speaks of great things that happened and that were received by the heroes of faith. However, toward the end of the chapter it speaks of some who were not delivered, who were killed, who were destitute, who didn't see the miracles and great deeds of some in the earlier part of the chapter. Yet these in the latter part of the chapter are heroes even though we don't even know their names.
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Old 08-11-2007, 06:57 AM
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Isa 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.


Mat 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with [his] word, and healed all that were sick:
Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare [our] sicknesses.
I agree with Newman, Matt, and have several things to say not related to your post, but it seems like a good jumping off place...know you don't mind.

This is a very sensitive subject for me because I have a nephew with CP, one with Asperger's Syndrome, and a 20 year old nephew who died due to complications of diabetes.

I am a believer in healing and am certain that it is God's will that all are healed, yet all are not healed...I am not smart enough to have all the answers, nor am I arrogant enough to pretend that I do.

However, I do know with John that he was prayed for by many men and women of faith in the Church, and he believed as did those around him...YET John died...I don't know.

There are those who have said that these happen because of sin on the part of the parents. Sickness first came into this world because of sin...true enough, but is not indicative of wrong doing by a parent or individual, IMO.

Sickness is the result of the rebellion in the Garden of Eden, but comes to our lives for a variety of reasons: poor diet, environment, unsanitary conditions, exposure to someone who is sick--any number of things can cause sickness and disease. Sometimes it is our fault (possibly through negligence), and sometimes it is no one’s fault.

Let us remember that the man in John 9 was not born blind because of sin or poverty in his family, but so “that the works of God should be manifest” (v. 3).

Yet, the so-called father of the Faith movement said, “God is glorified through healing and deliverance, not through sickness and suffering.” This contradicts Scripture. The glory of God is seen through healing, but I have also witnessed God work through sickness. And, the life of the above-mentioned teacher doesn’t mirror his own words. He claims to having not been sick in sixty years, yet had been treated by doctors several times in recent years for heart problems.

Another Faith teacher boldly declares that he does not allow sickness to come to his home, but his wife had cancer. This is not an attempt to make light of their situations...heaven forbid, however, we must be careful when we make bold declarations that the “chickens don’t come home to roost!”

Just my thoughts...need to head out to run errands...
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Old 08-11-2007, 07:52 AM
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"These preachers blur the line between the Creator and the created," Peters said. "They demote God and deify man ... To them, faith is not placed in God; faith is a force you direct at God to make Him do what you want Him to do. It is a very man-centered gospel which makes it a different gospel.... All this has been wrapped in a Christian terminology to make it more palatable."
My pastor stated it more like some people put their faith in faith, rather than in God.

Good article.
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:13 AM
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I haven't had to opportunity to visit the forum in nearly two weeks and this thread immediately caught my attention. Truly, this has been a very personal subject for me and the article posted on this thread touched me.

It took many, many years for me to realize that we won't all see our physical healing on this earth, but we have hope in Christ Jesus that our healing will come one day. The knowledge that if Jesus doesn't heal our afflections today....when we close our eyes in death our healing will come to fruition, because one day we shall have a glorified body....free from all sickness...to live forever in the presence of our mighty God.

Thanks again for the article...

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I wish I knew all the answers...however all that I have prayed for has not been healed but many have so I am thankful for those that have...
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:41 AM
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jwharv- Thanks for sharing.

I believe many Christians carry a greater heartache than non-Christians when it comes to illness and bad things happening; because they are at utter loss to understand why God isn't intervening on their behalf (the way they expect Him to).

They end up fighting two battles.... Whatever the issue is and the reason for God's silence. The reason for God's silence is many times the harder thing to deal with. Has the person offended God? Are they hated by God? Do they lack faith? Are they not "good" enough? Does God even exist?

But the reality is that nobody has been promised health and/or wealth and no one is immune from heartache in this life. It rains upon the just and the unjust. To believe otherwise will almost certainly result in feeling betrayed by God down the road.

I remember being surprised to be sitting in a church that was going through a building program and to hear them tell some of the negative things that had happened to people since giving money for the program. Serious stuff like losing their job or ending up in the hospital for a lengthy stay. The Church wanted to make sure the people understood that giving money to such a program was no guarantee of any kind. It certainly wasn't the kind of spin that one would see on TV about "seed" money. And so it is with healing. Not guaranteed; but grace sufficient to meet our needs EVERY TIME; and refueling as necesary.
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:46 AM
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I wish I knew all the answers...however all that I have prayed for has not been healed but many have so I am thankful for those that have...
Same here.
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Old 08-31-2007, 10:37 AM
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