***UPCI's Anthony Langston's New Book: Holier Than God ***

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Do you not agree that someone has to interpret and communicate what "modesty" means in a general sense? If left up to individuals, they may come up with an infinite number of definitions of "modesty". We really should at least strive for a close to consensus definition of modesty...

God gave the law not to work on the Sabbath, then the religious rulers of the Jews narrowed down the interpretation to how far a person could journey on the Sabbath day without it being considered work. They became so narrow in their thinking that they condemned Jesus for healing on the Sabbath day. I feel a similar thing is done with the interpretation of the word, modest. What is modest for some is immodest for other such as short sleeves.

That's why I feel the conviction of the Spirit is more important than the traditions of men. The Spirit may convict one person of a certain thing but not another person for the same thing for different reasons. I think we should be convinced in our hearts that we are pleasing God and doing his will and not lay our personal convictions on others.

Whatever is not of faith is sin. Rom 14:23

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

More of the same ole same ole. Guys depart from the faith and give their excuses. I have already read the other books by others who departed so here is another so what? Not impressed.

How would you respond to his argument that he's not "departing" from the faith, but returning to it. His appeals are all to the things preached either earlier in the Apostolic movement of the 20th Century or to the NT itself.

What he appears to be "departing from" is a cultural practice adopted in the mid 20th Century. That's hardly an "old landmark."

[tv1a]

Not every Democrat is a baby killing anti-war tree hugger either. But when one thinks of a Democrat, at least one, if not all of those descriptions comes immediately to mind. Same with the upci. Not everyone in the upci is a legalist but legalism is the overwhelming predominant force in the organization. Unfortunately the albatross hangs around the necks of individuals trying to change the perceptions.

Originally Posted by pelathais

You know, I've probably sounded like tv1a alot of times, and I agree with his sentiments. But PhilJones is right. Slamming the whole UP of C for "legalism" isn't fair. Consider that this particular thread is focused around an "anti-legalism" article written by a UPCI author.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How would you respond to his argument that he's not "departing" from the faith, but returning to it. His appeals are all to the things preached either earlier in the Apostolic movement of the 20th Century or to the NT itself.

What he appears to be "departing from" is a cultural practice adopted in the mid 20th Century. That's hardly an "old landmark."

EXACTLY!

[tv1a]

He won't address it because it messes with his theology.

Originally Posted by pelathais

How would you respond to his argument that he's not "departing" from the faith, but returning to it. His appeals are all to the things preached either earlier in the Apostolic movement of the 20th Century or to the NT itself.

What he appears to be "departing from" is a cultural practice adopted in the mid 20th Century. That's hardly an "old landmark."

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How would you respond to his argument that he's not "departing" from the faith, but returning to it. His appeals are all to the things preached either earlier in the Apostolic movement of the 20th Century or to the NT itself.

What he appears to be "departing from" is a cultural practice adopted in the mid 20th Century. That's hardly an "old landmark."

I wonder if he is yet preaching the necessity of water & Spirit does anyone know?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I wonder if he is yet preaching the necessity of water & Spirit does anyone know?

Well, If he is joining the NCO, he is going to be embracing trinitarians in the Pulpit.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I wonder if he is yet preaching the necessity of water & Spirit does anyone know?

yes, Bro. Langston believes in the necessity of water & spirit. That's not at all what he is questioning.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Well, If he is joining the NCO, he is going to be embracing trinitarians in the Pulpit.

What trinitarians are part of NCO?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

yes, Bro. Langston believes in the necessity of water & spirit. That's not at all what he is questioning.

Just a question because the MAJORITY of folks who start this route also change on the necessity of the doctrine.