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Old 09-08-2007, 09:41 PM
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And I repeat, please pay attention, the question is flawed because it assumes something that is NOT true.
What is not true?


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No, you said according to the Oneness doctrine jesus is Father and the opposte or the converse question is but is the Father the Son. That question leads to the conclusion that what you mean by "jesus is the Father" is "The Son is the Father". Thus you question is a logical fallacy. When OPs say "Jesus is the Father" they are NOT saying "The Son is the Father"
If Jesus is also the Father, and the Son, but the Father (who is Jesus) is not the Son, then there appears to be a contradiction. If I understand this right, the Father really didn't become flesh, He only indwells the Son?


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Are you just trying to to see the point? When OPs say Jesus is the Father they are NOT saying "Jesus is God"...may I ask...is Jesus God? Is the Son God? Yes in OP theology Jesus is the Son, but also Jesus is the Father. HOW is Jesus both? Because when OPs are saying that they are speaking of the Person of Jesus who has those two distinct roles or modes
Oh, so Jesus is not God? Yikes! What did Jesus (the Son) say about this?

Unless you believe that I AM [egō eimi] you will die in your sins (John 8:24).

Jesus is very much God, and all of our salvation rests in that fact.


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Ok, well God has revealed Himself as Father and as Son....does that make Father the Son? Trinitarians have said Father is Yahweh and Son is Yahweh...does that make Father the Son? and you complain about what Oneness do with Trinitarian doctrine. This is why we only argue.

You just contradicted yourself. If you say that Jesus is the Father (who is God) and also reveals Himself as the Son, then you have the Father who is God, (remember, the Father is not the Son) and the Son who is God, you have two distinct "persons" who are the same God.
 

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