The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Dora]

Originally Posted by Newman

:diggin

things that make ya say, "HMMmmmmmmMMMMmmm???"

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The tactic is old ... these attempts to make everyone think the same is old and tiresome.

No "tactic" here but yours.

He said what he said.

Do you want to align yourself with that?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You are trying to obfuscate and wiggle around what you plainly stated.

There are people who read this site who lurk and don't post.

If you are going to hang out and spread your doctrine, I want them to know where you are coming from.

You're doing it for the lurkers, huh???

CH, you've been branded.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Daniel, the man plainly said that much of the Bible was not God's Word to us.

Paul writing to Timothy wasn't Scripture.

Are you going to align yourself with that?

Daniel, the old adage, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" has its limits.

What part of 5Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear, applies to our culture???

[SDG]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

What part of 5Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear, applies to our culture???

Didn't you agree to the AS that states that you must believe that all cultural references in scripture must apply to today?

[Dora]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I've never felt put down or persecuted by men, but I have by women.

Have you all really felt like you're un-liberated, unfulfilled, persecuted, held back, disrespected and put down by men?

It's obvious you have no experience with any of this so count your blessings, sister.

You just can't relate. It's best you not worry your head about these things.

Didn't happen to you, so it can't possibly have been the experience of others.
Nope! No way.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

When Paul wrote this to Timothy, he didn't conside what he was writing to be scripture. It was a personal letter. The only reason it's scripture today is because the early church fathers wanted to include it in the package of texts relevant to Christianity. Paul was referring to the sciptures of the Old testament, like the Psalms, Ezekiel, the prophet Moses' writings, etc.

Paul wrote to Timothy under the unction of the Holy Spirit.
The foundation of house of God is what the apostles said, did, and wrote. Peter and the rest felt the need to write these things down for us. Would you consider the book of Revelation to be the ONLY book in the NT that is expressedly given to the church by God?

2Peter 3:15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. NASB

Ephesian 2:19-20 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Dora

It's obvious you have no experience with any of this so count your blessings, sister.

You just can't relate. It's best you not worry your head about these things.

Didn't happen to you, so it can't possibly have been the experience of others.
Nope! No way.

I like Felicity.

It seems that some on here don't...for some reason, it seems to be mostly women who don't

It seems sometimes like her experience has been one of two things, or both, or something else entirely :

1 - Utopian (or close)
OR
2 - She hasn't let the bad stuff get her down, or has gotten over it.

I sort of envy her if it's the first (but not quite) and admire her greatly if it's the second.

Makes me want to move back to the land of my ancestors (Canada) although the grass is seldom greener on the other side.

I kind of have a lot to say about this, but the thoughts won't form into words. I just wish that we could all concentrate on constructive things and not dwell on the past.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Paul wrote to Timothy under the unction of the Holy Spirit.
The foundation of house of God is what the apostles said, did, and wrote. Peter and the rest felt the need to write these things down for us. Would you consider the book of Revelation to be the ONLY book in the NT that is expressedly given to the church by God?

2Peter 3:15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. NASB

Ephesian 2:19-20 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,

1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Yes and all of those commandments he wrote about were already written...Paul ddin't just make things up. He was schooled in the law and prophets. Any doctrine should always be rerepresented in scripture. In the mouth of two or three witnessess. These are seperate witnesses. What Petere preached, Jesus preached. What Paul preached the other Apostles preached also. God bless. I have no disagreement with your answer, Im only trying to get you guys to understand that at the time Paul was writing it, it was a personal letter. The early churches would read those letters in the temples. These letters became respected as God's word and were preserved by scholars of that day.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

still don't follow you. a husband will do this with his wife. I have counseled many wives who are spiritually abused by their husbands. They will use the bible as their base for abuse quoting scripture.

what do you mean still don't follow me? We weren't having a conversation.