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09-21-2007, 12:02 PM
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Superheros are evil...
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Heb 13:7-17
Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of God to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.... .17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
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09-21-2007, 12:10 PM
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Superheros are evil...
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So which ruler is the above scripture referencing?
- They have spoken the word of God to you
- You are to obey them
- You are to be submissive to them
- They watch out for your souls
- They must give account
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
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09-21-2007, 12:14 PM
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but made himself of no reputation
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Originally Posted by Barb
So, "obey them that have rule over you for they watch for your soul" does not apply to you or does not apply at all?!
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no, it comes from a word choice for "leader or guide" that is the most regrettable choice for honest-hearted people trying to accountable to the Spirit that leads and guides them in all truth.
Barb, you believe God has appointed RULERS over other members of his own body, as service to his body, great, now just try to work out all the inconsistencies with other scriptural admonitions.
1. Tell me how you follow those rulers if they are OUT OF THE BOOK.
You might say, I would not follow them if they were out of the book!
Then I would reply, then they are NOT a God appointed RULER in your life. We do not get to pick and choose anything when it comes to a God-authored operation of authority in this life.
2. How do you not call any one master but you do call them RULERS? To make a ruler anything other than a master would require a PhD in wordsmithing.
3. If a pastor is a RULER over a God delegated flock, can a female 'subject' disobey her RULER in deference to her head, her covering, her husband? If she can, that RULER is not a RULER.
RULERS is a term that establishes a stumblingblock to individual accountability to our Lord and Saviour. If it works for you, great. I see it as a great detriment to the individuals moving and having their being in CHRIST. People never mature and go on to perfection, they sit at the RULER's feet, serving his calling, being made disciples unto his teaching.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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09-21-2007, 12:15 PM
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but made himself of no reputation
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by "GL"
So which ruler is the above scripture referencing?
- They have spoken the word of God to you
- You are to obey them
- You are to be submissive to them
- They watch out for your souls
- They must give account
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GL, you're settled on this. I hope my feedback and responses to others serve in some manner to make up for my lack of general response to you.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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09-21-2007, 12:20 PM
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Superheros are evil...
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I quoted a scripture to which you are unwilling to respond.
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
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09-21-2007, 12:25 PM
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but made himself of no reputation
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by "GL"
I quoted a scripture to which you are unwilling to respond.
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all my responses to Barb have enough content if your have any interest in comparing.
I have no problem with you making any conclusion about my actions or unwillingness to respond.
If you feel the need the need to hang labels or other "words of knowledge or wisdom" take every liberty.
I will not encumber any more bandwidth with this kind of overhead stuff.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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09-21-2007, 12:27 PM
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Superheros are evil...
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Originally Posted by tbpew
all my responses to Barb have enough content if your have any interest in comparing.
I have no problem with you making any conclusion about my actions or unwillingness to respond.
If you feel the need the need to hang labels or other "words of knowledge or wisdom" take every liberty.
I will not encumber any more bandwidth with this kind of overhead stuff.
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???
Where in my posts have you perceived my "need to hang labels?"
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
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09-21-2007, 12:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tbpew
no, it comes from a word choice for "leader or guide" that is the most regrettable choice for honest-hearted people trying to accountable to the Spirit that leads and guides them in all truth.
Barb, you believe God has appointed RULERS over other members of his own body, as service to his body, great, now just try to work out all the inconsistencies with other scriptural admonitions.
1. Tell me how you follow those rulers if they are OUT OF THE BOOK.
You might say, I would not follow them if they were out of the book!
Then I would reply, then they are NOT a God appointed RULER in your life. We do not get to pick and choose anything when it comes to a God-authored operation of authority in this life.
2. How do you not call any one master but you do call them RULERS? To make a ruler anything other than a master would require a PhD in wordsmithing.
3. If a pastor is a RULER over a God delegated flock, can a female 'subject' disobey her RULER in deference to her head, her covering, her husband? If she can, that RULER is not a RULER.
RULERS is a term that establishes a stumblingblock to individual accountability to our Lord and Saviour. If it works for you, great. I see it as a great detriment to the individuals moving and having their being in CHRIST. People never mature and go on to perfection, they sit at the RULER's feet, serving his calling, being made disciples unto his teaching.
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Bro. Pew, do you pastor a church?!
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09-21-2007, 12:32 PM
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but made himself of no reputation
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by "GL"
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Where in my posts have you perceived my "need to hang labels?"
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I am speaking from the historical trend in these kind of discussions with folks who presently sit it what they preceive as Moses' seat for the local congregation.
My comment was an acknowledgement that if you feel the need or feel the unction, go ahead, I will not do anything to impede your liberty to speak.
IMO, Labels are just the normal way to get to quick conclusion about the basis for posting content with little to no consideration of the content.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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09-21-2007, 12:37 PM
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but made himself of no reputation
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Barb
Bro. Pew, do you pastor a church?!
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I have consistently avoided direct questions of this sort to protect my ability to speak candidly on topics that cross the normal grain of member-minister fellowships made up of 'churchs' that have been founded or are being overseen by a guy or group of guys.
Sorry for being non-responsive.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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