It's not subjective, God raises up whom He will, for His purpose and He brings down whom He will for His purpose.
Several points from Romans 13:
If we are doing good we should not be afraid of a ruler, even an evil one, even if doing good brings our death, because even an evil ruler that can take our lives can not send us to hell.
God sets up rulers that bear the sword, the are arm, not in vain, not just for looks but for using against evil doers. What can a sword do? The threat of your life being taken by a weapon can be a strong deterrent. Taking a evil doers life with a weapon can also cut down, no pun intended, on crime by making him an example to others and making it so that he will not commit a crime again.
I pray that no one should have to face the death penalty. But each man and woman makes their own decision about that.
Do you feel the same way towards those governments who kill people for converting to Christianity. You feel that that they are ordained by God and should be respected, obeyed and submitted to as such...
Do you feel the same way towards those governments who kill people for converting to Christianity. You feel that that they are ordained by God and should be respected, obeyed and submitted to as such...
Just asking... not trying to challenge you.
I have to get back to work. I'll give you an answer this evening!
It's ok to ask questions and maybe even challenge each other. After all we are to reason together......
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Do you believe that God is for the death penalty under the NT Covenant?
If you believe God to be the same yesterday, today, and forever why should I give you a specific NT scripture? Well, I believe I've answered your question on another thread, read Gen. 9:6, keep in mind that this was not commanded specifically for the Jews. Also keep in mind that God not only passed the death sentence upon Adam and Eve, but also upon the whole world when He Himself allowed the rain to flood the earth. ( This was due to the violence at that time)
If you believe God to be the same yesterday, today, and forever why should I give you a specific NT scripture?
By that same token should we not stone adulterers?
The same yesterday, today and forever... right?
I do agree that God is the same yesterday, today and forever... because the word says it... but to use that scripture on one chosen scripture and the ignore it's consequences on others isn't really consistent to me.
Now let me be serious. Is God "for" the existance of poverty?
he did say, the poor we would have always.
is he "for" war? He did say there would be wars and rumors of war. Ecc. states there is a time for war.
Is God "for" stife in the church? All our strife can basically be boiled down to one group of preachers that have "heard" from God that we should do something and another group of preachers that have "heard" from God that we should not do that same something.
I think trying to figure out what God is "for" doesnt really make much sense. Gods ways are not our ways. (he also said that)
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By that same token should we not stone adulterers?
The same yesterday, today and forever... right?
I do agree that God is the same yesterday, today and forever... because the word says it... but to use that scripture on one chosen scripture and the ignore it's consequences on others isn't really consistent to me.
What does adultery have to do with murder? Is this your answer? Gods command was specific to the Jews concerning adultery in another dispensation, but if we are talking about murder, then Gen. 9:6 applies to everyone. If you are talking about sin in general, then I believe in the grace of God and even forgiveness, but even scripture says that the wages of sin is death. (Romans 6:23)
Now let me be serious. Is God "for" the existance of poverty?
he did say, the poor we would have always.
is he "for" war? He did say there would be wars and rumors of war. Ecc. states there is a time for war.
Is God "for" stife in the church? All our strife can basically be boiled down to one group of preachers that have "heard" from God that we should do something and another group of preachers that have "heard" from God that we should not do that same something.
I think trying to figure out what God is "for" doesnt really make much sense. Gods ways are not our ways. (he also said that)
I'm not the one who started this thread. Is this another discussion in the many hundreds of threads where we are all trying to figure out God in one way or another? LOL!
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