The Truth About The PCI!

[Raven]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Does anyone know the exact year this was published? (or at least an approximate date). And. could it be possible to post the entire booket? Interesting reading!

I will do my best to post a complete copy on the Forum as soon as I can get it all together. In the meantime I'm posting something from A.D. Urshan that I think will provide some interesting discussion.

Raven

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Raven

I will do my best to post a complete copy on the Forum as soon as I can get it all together. In the meantime I'm posting something from A.D. Urshan that I think will provide some interesting discussion.

Raven

I have a nice treasure inherited from my Great Grand Pappy, orginal AD Urshan Books published by Gospel Publishing House (AOG) his life story and his Sermon/Prayer book, dated 1914. Even the Oneness Historical Society at the WEC doesn't have these.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Raven

I will do my best to post a complete copy on the Forum as soon as I can get it all together. In the meantime I'm posting something from A.D. Urshan that I think will provide some interesting discussion.

Raven

I think I know what you are going to share and if I am correct you are right, they are very good.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More myths busted. Oh my a triune God ....!!!!!!!!!

Eld. Andrew Urshan used the term "triune God."

[Sam]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Does anyone know the exact year this was published? (or at least an approximate date). And. could it be possible to post the entire booket? Interesting reading!

The cover page shows the headquarters in Dallas, TX.
In 1945 when the merger took place, the PAJC did not have a headquarters building but the PCI had one in St. Louis so that became the headquarters of the new organization.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Back to Pentecost??? Don't you mean Back to Ecumenicalism?

"Back to Pentecost" to me would mean
-back to a time of fellowship around the work of Jesus on the cross,
-back to a time of fellowship around the HGB,
-back to a time of fellowship where water baptism was performed by the baptizer according to his/her understanding without someone looking over their shoulder to see if the "proper" words were spoke
-back to a time when organization or lack thereof was not an issue
-back to a time when "the Apostolic Faith" was based on HGB, not water baptism

[CC1]

Have not had a chance to read the thread yet, just skimmed the scanned document.

They used the dreaded word "triune" to describe God and didn't seem ashamed to do so!!! Didn't run away from that terminology like most modern day Oneness Pentecostals do.

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by Sam

"Back to Pentecost" to me would mean
-back to a time of fellowship around the work of Jesus on the cross,
-back to a time of fellowship around the HGB,
-back to a time of fellowship where water baptism was performed by the baptizer according to his/her understanding without someone looking over their shoulder to see if the "proper" words were spoke
-back to a time when organization or lack thereof was not an issue
-back to a time when "the Apostolic Faith" was based on HGB, not water baptism

Now THAT is Pentecost. Real Pentecost!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I understand what is being said the majority of men living know nothing about this. I am not diminishing the PCI nor it's contributions toward the UPC structure or history I am only saying the majority of those guys meeting at Tulsa the PCI history would mean nothing. The majority of these men would have been raised in water & Spirit churches with strong emphasis on standard issues. ONLY in certain locales was there much PCI influence that endured. So to most they are not willingly forgetting they don't even have a clue.

The reason they "don't have a clue" is because of the way in which the PCI material has been scoured from the UPCI's records. The PCI writings that all potential UPCI preachers were required to read when I came in (early 1980's) have been removed.

I'm just mid-40's in age but I remember the PCI material. I also remember how I was taught to despise certain of my brethren for being "compromisers." That's why the "Tulsa crowd" won't "remember" the PCI material. It's because they were taught to despise it all along.

There's been a great deal of historical revisionism that has been going on for years in the UPCI and the Apostolic movement in general. When the folks in "Tulsa" harp about "heritage" they are only only harping about a heritage that is around 60 years old.

Our OP founders who predated the merger had a heritage that they clung to that was much older than a few decades. The "Tulsa" group is really about innovation, and not heritage. That has been documented time and time again.

[josh]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Come now, Elder Epley.

I think you REALLY know what DA is saying here.

The vast majority of those guys use as their mantra the "old paths" which are about 50-60 years old as if that was some sort of grand millennial age of truth.

Hall tried to propogandize that the only difference in the two organizations was methods of evangelism.

Well, whether the fellas livin' on Tulsa Time like it or not, THIS was a big part of the "heritage" they yammer about so much.

Tim, during the time of the merger people definitely knew there was a difference.

My mother was telling me the other day about how traumatic the merger was on their local church. She said that after Bro Wise and my grandfather left for the merger meetings, the young people were crying and worrying. They had heard that the PCI didn't share their beliefs concerning salvation.

The difference was definitely not methods.