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11-01-2007, 09:53 PM
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Tritheism is a belief in three gods.
It is not a lie to say that trinitarianism - at it's root - is tritheism.
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11-01-2007, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Tritheism is a belief in three gods.
It is not a lie to say that trinitarianism - at it's root - is tritheism.
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I strongly disagree.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-01-2007, 09:57 PM
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I strongly disagree.
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Huh?
God in three persons, blessed trinity! 
How is that not tritheism?
How is three persons who are coequal, coeternal, and - most importantly - coexistent, not tritheism?
The emphasis is not truly the "onness of God," but the "threeness."
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11-01-2007, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Huh?
God in three persons, blessed trinity!
How is that not tritheism?
How is three persons who are coequal, coeternal, and most importantly - coexistent, not tritheism.
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Brother I don't think Bernard, Seagraves, Dulle, French, would agree with you here - that belief in "three persons" in the Godhead equals tritheism. At the most you may say "it implies" or the language is difficult to rectify with the Trinitarian view of monotheism, but it goes over the line to say Trinitarians are Tritheists.
The definition of the Trinity defies this notion.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-01-2007, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Brother I don't think Bernard, Seagraves, Dulle, French, would agree with you here - that belief in "three persons" in the Godhead equals tritheism. At the most you may say "it implies" or the language is difficult to rectify with the Trinitarian view of monotheism, but it goes over the line to say Trinitarians are Tritheists.
The definition of the Trinity defies this notion.
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If it's not tritheism because of careful wording to prevent that accusation being brought to bear on Trinitarians, then the three divine persons who are each self aware of themselves and each other compose a divine Being with multiple personality disorder.
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11-01-2007, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop
This is to some old timers and students of Oneness History.
I am not trying to get into a theological debate with these questions.
I can argue both theological positions very well - so I am not asking for scriptures to PROVE your position.
I KNOW your position and don't need any condescending remarks.
I know what the Creeds say and I know the definition of the Trinity from Trinitarian scholars.
If you can't answer the questions - That is OK!
If you can - please let's do this in a civil and a Christian manner.
I am an Apostolic. I was baptized in Jesus name as has been my wife and children. I have always baptized every person I have baptized - in the name of Jesus. I have never been a Trinitarian and have never preached or believed the Trinitarian doctrine of three persons in the Godhead even though I was raised and educated in what you call - A "Trinitarian" Church.
This is the premise of the questions:
I was born and raised as a Fourth generational Pentecostal student of biblical and religious history. I have studied history and religion all of my life. I was raised in a Pentecostal home & church. My Great Grandmother, Grandmother and Mother all had the Holy Ghost and I was filled at the age of 5. I was baptized the first time, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". The F/S/HG was praised and mentioned, but I can never remember anything remotely resembling a remark as - "We believe in Three God's". They did not even preach the Trinity - just baptized in the titles. I know theologically - they believed it - but they did not understand it nor preach it.
I have NEVER heard in my church, home, College or anywhere else from any "Trinitarian" that they believe in "Three God's".
I have heard over and over again from "Apostolics" - that "Trinitarians believe in Three God's". I believe this to be a lie.
This lie had to start somewhere with somebody. I want to know where and when and with who did it start. Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When did the lie start that Trinitarians believe in Three God's?
Who told this lie to start with?
Where was this lie first preached?
What year was the lie first told or preached?
Did the lie begin in the UPC or Independent Oneness ranks?
Where did you hear this lie for the first time?
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Sorry it's not a lie the Three godders believe in three working as one united effort, hence the title Tri unity. Give yourself a while to ponder this, the Trinitarians preach three not one.
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11-01-2007, 10:32 PM
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That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
And from the Attitudes Section
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