The LIE - Page 6

Hoovie · #51 11-01-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Tritheism is a belief in three gods.

It is not a lie to say that trinitarianism - at it's root - is tritheism.

I strongly disagree.

Nahum · #52 11-01-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

OH BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who on this forum is promoting the trinity???

Are we afraid of the question?

Not afraid of it.

Tired of it.

Go post Oneness doctrine on a trinitarian forum and see how long you maintain posting privileges.

We are under no obligation to endlessly defend Oneness doctine here.

Hoovie · #53 11-01-2007, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

There are things about your total person that can't be said about each other.

Such as your body and soul being at war?

The body and the soul are aspects of who we are.

The mind, body and soul make up our complete being.

However if personfied we could call ourselves a blessed Trintiy.

But at the end of the day you are you and you alone...

So then you agree with the 10 points?

Neck · #54 11-01-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

OH BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who on this forum is promoting the trinity???

Are we afraid of the question?

So who's head turns when God the father turns his head? Just God the Father or the the Son and the HG as well?

Nahum · #55 11-01-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I strongly disagree.

Huh?

God in three persons, blessed trinity!

How is that not tritheism?

How is three persons who are coequal, coeternal, and - most importantly - coexistent, not tritheism?

The emphasis is not truly the "onness of God," but the "threeness."

Neck · #56 11-01-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So then you agree with the 10 points?

I agree that we can make these statements but that does not divide God into 3 seperate person's.

The Dean · #57 11-01-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Are the ones that preached this lie and told their people that Trinitarians believe in THREE GOD'S avoiding the question?

You guys are putting up a good smoke screen and doing what you do every week - saying the same old thing over and over and over and doing your best to convince people of what you know is NOT TRUE!
You know that Trinitarians do not believe in Three God's.

I challenge you to pick up the phone and call 5 or 10 Churches tomorrow and just ask them the question - Do you believe in Three God's?

Call the A/G, COG, PH, Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Charismatic, and ask them "DO YOU BELIEVE IN THREE GOD'S?"and them post on this thread what the answer to the question is.

You won't do it because you know what they will say - NO - We believe in ONE GOD.
Face it guys - you know somebody has lied and you won't admit it!

THE DEAN - Call your friend and ask him if he believes in THREE GOD'S? If he says NO - tell him you been preaching to your people that he believes in THREE GOD'S. Will you (not addressing THE DEAN here) tell the other pastors in town that you preach that they believe in THREE GOD'S????

Who started this lie that Trinitarians believe in THREE GOD'S?

I've already spoken to the trinitarian Pastors that I'm friends with and they are ALL quick to tell you that they beleive in 'one god in three distinct persons'. That makes it no less a lie than the three god nonsense.

For the record I have won the Assistant Pastor of the largest COGIC in our area to truth. He's a good man but an honest man. On the other hand, I did bible studies with the pastor and he admitted he saw oneness and Jesus name baptism but refused to preach it. He said that people would think he had been lying to them if he admitted I was right.

He's still taking his Church to Hell to this day.

Three persons is no less a lie than three gods.

ThePastorsCoach · #58 11-01-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

There are things about your total person that can't be said about each other.

Such as your body and soul being at war?

The body and the soul are aspects of who we are.

The mind, body and soul make up our complete being.

However if personfied we could call ourselves a blessed Trintiy.

But at the end of the day you are you and you alone...

Do you REALLY think this is about us needing a definition of the trinity? Good grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHO STARTED THE LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hoovie · #59 11-01-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Huh?

God in three persons, blessed trinity!

How is that not tritheism?

How is three persons who are coequal, coeternal, and most importantly - coexistent, not tritheism.

The emphasis is not truly the "onness of God," but the "threeness."

Brother I don't think Bernard, Seagraves, Dulle, French, would agree with you here - that belief in "three persons" in the Godhead equals tritheism. At the most you may say "it implies" or the language is difficult to rectify with the Trinitarian view of monotheism, but it goes over the line to say Trinitarians are Tritheists.

The definition of the Trinity defies this notion.

Evang.Benincasa · #60 11-01-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is to some old timers and students of Oneness History.

I am not trying to get into a theological debate with these questions.
I can argue both theological positions very well - so I am not asking for scriptures to PROVE your position.
I KNOW your position and don't need any condescending remarks.
I know what the Creeds say and I know the definition of the Trinity from Trinitarian scholars.
If you can't answer the questions - That is OK!
If you can - please let's do this in a civil and a Christian manner.
I am an Apostolic. I was baptized in Jesus name as has been my wife and children. I have always baptized every person I have baptized - in the name of Jesus. I have never been a Trinitarian and have never preached or believed the Trinitarian doctrine of three persons in the Godhead even though I was raised and educated in what you call - A "Trinitarian" Church.

This is the premise of the questions:
I was born and raised as a Fourth generational Pentecostal student of biblical and religious history. I have studied history and religion all of my life. I was raised in a Pentecostal home & church. My Great Grandmother, Grandmother and Mother all had the Holy Ghost and I was filled at the age of 5. I was baptized the first time, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". The F/S/HG was praised and mentioned, but I can never remember anything remotely resembling a remark as - "We believe in Three God's". They did not even preach the Trinity - just baptized in the titles. I know theologically - they believed it - but they did not understand it nor preach it.
I have NEVER heard in my church, home, College or anywhere else from any "Trinitarian" that they believe in "Three God's".

I have heard over and over again from "Apostolics" - that "Trinitarians believe in Three God's". I believe this to be a lie.
This lie had to start somewhere with somebody. I want to know where and when and with who did it start. Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When did the lie start that Trinitarians believe in Three God's?
Who told this lie to start with?
Where was this lie first preached?
What year was the lie first told or preached?
Did the lie begin in the UPC or Independent Oneness ranks?
Where did you hear this lie for the first time?

Sorry it's not a lie the Three godders believe in three working as one united effort, hence the title Tri unity. Give yourself a while to ponder this, the Trinitarians preach three not one.