Booker Letter

[bishoph]

It is very interesting that the statements made on the "other" thread are consistently misconstrued by some on this forum. No one has denied that something is being considered and /or even started. What was addressed on the "other" thread was the spirit and intent of the men who are spearheading this group. What Steadfast, myself, and maybe a couple of others tried to convey, is that these men are not bitter men who are trying to persuade everyone they come in contact with that the UPCI is a terrible organization and that you should run for your life.

They are in fact trying to find a way that men with similar focus, and belief can synergistically work together, while still allowing those that wish to remain in the UPCI or other organizations to do so while maintaining their fellowship. JMHO

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by bishoph

It is very interesting that the statements made on the "other" thread are consistently misconstrued by some on this forum. No one has denied that something is being considered and /or even started. What was addressed on the "other" thread was the spirit and intent of the men who are spearheading this group. What Steadfast, myself, and maybe a couple of others tried to convey, is that these men are not bitter men who are trying to persuade everyone they come in contact with that the UPCI is a terrible organization and that you should run for your life.

They are in fact trying to find a way that men with similar focus, and belief can synergistically work together, while still allowing those that wish to remain in the UPCI or other organizations to do so while maintaining their fellowship. JMHO

Steadfast left me with the impression that in a conversation with one of the 'coordinators" he was told that this was NOT a meeting to form a new org. Just something like a big chat session to talk about ideas.

He seemed to be downplaying what you and others have described.

[Steve Epley]

I have spoken to several men who have spoken to Bro. Booker they have all said the same thing but I have not spoken to him personally. I know Bro. Booker when I see him but not well. But all who claim to talk to him that I have spoken with have said this is a formation conference of some type. I just saw TC from Atlanta last week and he told me the same thing.

[tv1a]

To take the double speak from your posts. Tulsa will be the place where sore losers meet to discuss succeeding from the union. It's not the upci's fault these people do not play well with others. The meeting is a non-alcoholic crying in their beer. If it's not as bad as they claim, they shouldn't be lining up support. It is obvious they have no intentions of bridging the gap. Even a caveman could see that.

Originally Posted by bishoph

It is very interesting that the statements made on the "other" thread are consistently misconstrued by some on this forum. No one has denied that something is being considered and /or even started. What was addressed on the "other" thread was the spirit and intent of the men who are spearheading this group. What Steadfast, myself, and maybe a couple of others tried to convey, is that these men are not bitter men who are trying to persuade everyone they come in contact with that the UPCI is a terrible organization and that you should run for your life.

They are in fact trying to find a way that men with similar focus, and belief can synergistically work together, while still allowing those that wish to remain in the UPCI or other organizations to do so while maintaining their fellowship. JMHO

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Steadfast left me with the impression that in a conversation with one of the 'coordinators" he was told that this was NOT a meeting to form a new org. Just something like a big chat session to talk about ideas.

He seemed to be downplaying what you and others have described.

At your reply, I went back and read the original post in the "other" thread. I can certainly see where any mention of forming a new "organization/fellowship" was left out. From my many conversations with some who are intricately involved in this "formation" there is no attempt at deception about their intent.

I cannot speak for Steadfast, however, I still think the "intent" of his thread was not to spin this meeting one way or another, but rather to speak to the attitude and spirit of the framers of this new venture, which has often been maligned.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by bishoph

At your reply, I went back and read the original post in the "other" thread. I can certainly see where any mention of forming a new "organization/fellowship" was left out. From my many conversations with some who are intricately involved in this "formation" there is no attempt at deception about their intent.

I cannot speak for Steadfast, however, I still think the "intent" of his thread was not to spin this meeting one way or another, but rather to speak to the attitude and spirit of the framers of this new venture, which has often been maligned.

I agree with what you said about Steadfast, but why the "dance" around the issue with so many of the UCs?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

I agree with what you said about Steadfast, but why the "dance" around the issue with so many of the UCs?

Really. Why not come right out and say it in the flyer sent out to every one?

"Discussion on forming a new Apostolic Fellowship. Meet me in Tulsa!"

Instead there's this, "well, uhm no... no one said anybody was leaving..." And that's followed by a bunch of guys in a conga line singing and dancing about some report they "heard" about a bunch more who have already left.

It's the usual story from the way I see it. "Get as much as you can while revealing as little as you can... Don't allow yourself to be pinned down to any one position.. leave lot's of wiggle room!" You know, that sounds like one of those "magic" tricks RW was talking about on another thread.

Is this whole thing really just a confidence game?

Originally Posted by pelathais

I have seen attempts by so-called "Conservatives" on this board to deceive people recently. The post on another thread about the "UPCI official" and the "Tulsa coordinator" is an example of of this.

Ban me if you will, but the whole "Tulsa Summit" meeting is based upon deception and half truths and lying accusations. That is is how this crowd has operated for years. If you want specifics just check out the horror stories of the broken lives they have left in their wake.

That is unbelievable. I think it could only be conservative ministers who have hurt people. No moderate people or liberal people. This post is so ignorant I can't believe I even responded to it.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by irish1

That is unbelievable. I think it could only be conservative ministers who have hurt people. No moderate people or liberal people. This post is so ignorant I can't believe I even responded to it.

I was in that "crowd" for most of my life, Bro. I know whereof I speak. And what I said about the "Tulsa Summit" stands until one of these "coordinators" comes out and speaks plainly about the agenda.

Why don't you hold their feet to the fire? What do they want to see accomplished?

And as a P.S. - you are correct about "libs and mods" "hurting other people's lives." However in the Apostolic movement and the UPCI specifically, you will find that it has tended to be the "cons" and "UC's" that have caused most of the pain over the years. A Google search will demonstrate that.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

63 pages that will change your life FOREVER.... if you let them.

Yes, "Tale of Three Kings". It will make you check your motives! Another good book by Gene Edwards is "Climb The Highest Mountain". My old boyhood friend and classmate, Nate Wilson, said it was the most dangerous book he has read! Now if that doesn't whet your literary appetite what else can I say?

Raven