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03-06-2007, 10:24 AM
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Invisible Thad
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Originally Posted by Warmbee
That is the most ridiculus thing I've ever heard! How many were baptized on the day of pentecost? in cornelious's household? in samaria? what about the ethiopian eunich? these were one day occurences, not over time! OMW, that really makes me heated that there are people teaching that garbage 
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i'm not kidding! the preachers wife was bending down whispering in the ears of the women at the alters praying " honey if you really want God you'll take those earrings off".
they literally and physically tried to sit sinners down who were running the Isles with the saints.
we don't stop sinners from running or rejoicing but they spotted a lady in pants running around and attempted to sit her down
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03-06-2007, 10:34 AM
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The minister who demands a moustache be shaved as ANY kind of repentance himself needs to repent. More than likely most of those baptized at Pentecost all had beards. And more than likely all those doing the baptizing were themselves wearing beards. Why is it that Apostolic ministers are so far off?
But the answer to the topic question is one should be baptized immediately upon there willingness to follow Christ all the way. After all "he who believes AND is baptized shall be saved". Mark 16:16
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03-06-2007, 10:53 AM
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It is ridiculous and offensive to think that folks would need to "clean up" before they can be baptized. I think folks should be baptized when they ask to be baptized.
An exception would be children--I think they should understand what is happening and why before they are baptized. JMO
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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03-06-2007, 10:55 AM
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Invisible Thad
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
It is ridiculous and offensive to think that folks would need to "clean up" before they can be baptized. I think folks should be baptized when they ask to be baptized.
An exception would be children--I think they should understand what is happening and why before they are baptized. JMO
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really???
what if they had not repented at all ? just dunk them if they ask to be no questions asked ?
isn't repentance turning around and walking away from sin ?
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03-06-2007, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad
A few Years ago we had a minister who visited our church and condemned us for baptizing "sinners". they had not repented because they had not yet adhered to the dress code and so forth.
this older minister threw a fit once when he saw someone getting baptized with a mustache.
how far down the path of repentance should someone be before they get baptized ?
what is your rule of thumb?
Do we sometimes go to fast losing the meaning of what it's all about ?
down a dry sinner up a wet devil ?
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Whether one's repentance was genuine is for God to decide, keeping in mind that John the Baptist did say to bring forth the "fruit meet for repentance."
How long should one wait? The length of time it takes to get the person from the altar to the baptismal pool.
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03-06-2007, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Chan
Whether one's repentance was genuine is for God to decide, keeping in mind that John the Baptist did say to bring forth the "fruit meet for repentance."
How long should one wait? The length of time it takes to get the person from the altar to the baptismal pool.
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AMEN!!!!!!
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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03-06-2007, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Thad
really???
what if they had not repented at all ? just dunk them if they ask to be no questions asked ?
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I think if someone says they have repented (understanding what that means), and requests to be baptized, that they should be allowed to be baptized, even if no one "witnessed" their repentance.
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Originally Posted by Thad
isn't repentance turning around and walking away from sin ?
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Repentance just means a change of mind. To think differently. If someone has made a conscious decision to turn away from sin, then that constitutes repentance, even if they haven't proven it yet. My goodness, most people haven't had time to prove anything right after they get up from the altar! Would you recommend a waiting period, in which their righteousness must be proven, before they can have their sins washed away?
I don't see any kind of waiting period as biblical in any sense of the word.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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03-06-2007, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I think if someone says they have repented (understanding what that means), and requests to be baptized, that they should be allowed to be baptized, even if no one "witnessed" their repentance.
Repentance just means a change of mind. To think differently. If someone has made a conscious decision to turn away from sin, then that constitutes repentance, even if they haven't proven it yet. My goodness, most people haven't had time to prove anything right after they get up from the altar! Would you recommend a waiting period, in which their righteousness must be proven, before they can have their sins washed away?
I don't see any kind of waiting period as biblical in any sense of the word.
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Who would accountable for the soul, if they were in the 'waiting process' when the Lord returned for His church??? Just a thought.
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03-06-2007, 11:35 AM
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Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
This is a sterling example--all that was necessary was that the eunuch "believe with all his heart"!!!! There was no "trial" period. There was no discussion of all the sins he would need to give up first--all he had to do in order to be baptized was to believe!
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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03-06-2007, 11:36 AM
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My two little angels!
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
Dear me, they should be baptized as soon as they have a repentive heart.
Not when their hair grows to their knees or they go home and shave off their facial hair.
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I agree
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