VAUGHN MORTON Annouces his departure from the UPC~!!!!!!!

[rosebud]

Originally Posted by Thad

I just got a response from one - he is going to ask the AZ board for an official letter of disfellowship - you may be banned from the entire state for your outrageous public display of rebellion and disrespect!!!!
may god help you dear!!!

on that note good night.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by anapko81

So true...we had a preacher, a African-American, who rocked the house!!! His first sermon was on the blood of Jesus. Wow, what a depth of knowledge! But...guess what, cause of the color of his skin, our pastor received a lot of flack from certain " holier than thou's ". So, yes it does go both ways. Bless you RevRandy

(To me, these "holier that thous" arent as holy as they think, if they have a problem with an anointed man of God because of his skin color.)

I hate hearing stores like this. But maybe it just reminds us that some things haven't changed as much as we would like to think.

Some say the UPC is progressing, as far as spreading the gospel is concerned. And maybe it is. But the UPC still needs to progress a lot more in terms of some of dealing with the racial "issues" that still lie beneath the surface, and been theres for decades.

Too bad that a lot of pastors and preachers dont seem to want to address the issue head on, from the pulpit.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Thad

there's also a knutson in the area too..... right ??

There once was a Pastor K . . . until he disagreed with one of the ministers mentioned here. Once that happened Pastor K was nearly destroyed by that Pastor and left the UPC. I've heard Pastor K's in the process of trying to get re-licensed by the UPC.

RandyWayne - I'd recommend visiting either Endris in Tempe, Bibb in Phoenix, Wylie in Peoria or Goldsberry (independence/non-denom) in Tempe.

[IBCrazier2]

Originally Posted by rosebud

Bro. Hudson's in Mesa (good church) and progressive. Rob Bibb's church is good also he's young and progressive also probably a little more than Bro. Hudson. And the Pastor in Peoria is good also, his name is slipping my mind right now.

My uncle pastored this church until my aunt died a couple of years ago ..... seemed to be a really good church.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Finally, a chance to disagree with CC1.

I don't think that the exodus of the ultra con faction will produce unity in the UPC.

Today's conservatives will be the ultra cons of the new UPC.

The liberals, who want far more than television advertising, will be emboldened to ask for more.

The removal of the prohibition on television advertising leaves television a non-issue in the UPC; the remaining prohibition against TV is a technicality that I think will be disregarded.

The men who have won this allowance from the ultra cons today will find themselves defending their positions on the traditional standards tomorrow.

The political process is a two edged sword.

This will not end the war of liberation - the struggle has just begun.

Have we a prophet walking in our midst?

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Thad

I want to say that I heard from 3 sources that VM was very respectful in how he address this and said there would be no UPC bashing.

Truth! I have talked with a few back home, and they are keeping a 'right' spirit about things.

[committed]

Wouldn't recommend Hudson's. Wouldn't say it's progressive. Went there a couple years. Some major problems. Most progressive are Endris (Tempe), Rob Bibb (Phx) and I think Wylie is pretty good.
Bro. Hogan is a good Supt. He's conservative - but not hard nose. He's kind.
Every district has it's problems because it's made up of men. AZ is a little more difficult, I'll agree. I've heard more than one say they were going to retire to AZ, but there's too much division in the District. Too bad we can't unite together to win souls instead of bickering on which standards are right.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

There once was a Pastor K . . . until he disagreed with one of the ministers mentioned here. Once that happened Pastor K was nearly destroyed by that Pastor and left the UPC. I've heard Pastor K's in the process of trying to get re-licensed by the UPC.

RandyWayne - I'd recommend visiting either Endris in Tempe, Bibb in Phoenix, Wylie in Peoria or Goldsberry (independence/non-denom) in Tempe.

Pastor K is a friend, much of what you say is true. To bad, he is a tremendous preacher.