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12-12-2007, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
So, here we have it.
The answer to the question that was roundly criticized back in October.
These men ARE starting a new fellowship, as they have planned all along.
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Still wild speculation.
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12-12-2007, 12:29 PM
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Sounds like they're going to have all chiefs and no indians...
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Appently there are no Indians, either, on this list. But MY may make a trip there to ensure the Apostolic message is being preached in its purist form among the billion inhabitants ... ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF GODQUEST.
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12-12-2007, 12:31 PM
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The Northeast seems under-represented on this list. Are there know ultracons in the NE? Will this be a missions field?
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I can think of someone, MB!
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12-12-2007, 12:32 PM
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I can think of someone, MB!
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12-12-2007, 12:33 PM
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I know some of the men on the list. At least two of them have no interest whatsoever in an organization after they leave the UPC. Will this be a card carrying goup, or a very organized unorganized fellowship? Just because they have a plan doesn't mean it is an organization in the legal sense.
If it turns out to be a fellowship without license, they would be foolish not to have leadership or rules of some kind involved. Else, anyone believing anything could be a part. I don't see this as a problem.
The only problem I have is some of the UPC bashing going on amongst some men bent on going to Tulsa, but again, it wasn't by anyone that made the list...
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Let's be honest -- I could point out something that was done by one member of the UPC and blame the whole organization, but we both know that would not be fair. Just because one man did that in your presence does NOT mean it is the spirit behind those who are putting this together. In fact, since the guilty party is NOT on "the list," those involved cannot be held accountable for what that person did. I truly believe the men involved in this endeavor are doing their best to NOT allow "UPC bashing". That is not their attitude or spirit at all.
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12-12-2007, 12:37 PM
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Here's the deal.
Even after these men organize, have a charter, incorporate, license ministers, appoint officers, divert funds from the Mothership, and name the new "fellowship" there will be men on AFF who will say it is not a "rival" organization.
I'm all for them starting their own thing. Good for them!
I will say that they have learned how to play the political game very well.
Hide your intentions for as long as you can in the hopes of squelching opposition and criticism. Have a group of two or three men hand select leadership, do all of the detail work, and write organizational charters to benefit the chosen few. Then wow the lemmings who follow the high profile "name" guys by showing them that all they need to do is sign on the dotted line, all of the detail work is already done.
Boy, doesn't that sound like another org we know very well?
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12-12-2007, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
But now that you bring this up ... will there be an ethnic ministries division .. I understand Nix may be heading this up???
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I don't know where you heard this, but I happen to know the Nix family VERY well, and NONE of them, to my knowledge, have been asked to "head up" any part of this.
As you have been quick to say, "Just wild speculation."
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12-12-2007, 12:41 PM
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I don't know where you heard this, but I happen to know the Nix family VERY well, and NONE of them, to my knowledge, have been asked to "head up" any part of this.
As you have been quick to say, "Just wild speculation."
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I am aware of your partnership and history with Elder Nix ... are you sure he's not involved in anyway with the formation of a Spanish ministry in WPF? ... I have a very reliable source that has linked him w/ the WPF.
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12-12-2007, 12:48 PM
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Let's be honest -- I could point out something that was done by one member of the UPC and blame the whole organization, but we both know that would not be fair. Just because one man did that in your presence does NOT mean it is the spirit behind those who are putting this together. In fact, since the guilty party is NOT on "the list," those involved cannot be held accountable for what that person did. I truly believe the men involved in this endeavor are doing their best to NOT allow "UPC bashing". That is not their attitude or spirit at all.
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Brother on the most part I agree with you, there are many men on this list that I respect highly, some that I don't know/haven't heard of, but there is a least one on the list that I can absolutely say has and does "UPC/UPC preacher bash". Unashamedly.
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12-12-2007, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Appently there are no Indians, either, on this list. But MY may make a trip there to ensure the Apostolic message is being preached in its purist form among the billion inhabitants ... ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF GODQUEST.
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LOL!
I have to admit,you made me laugh out loud that time. 
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