Saved WithOut The Holy Ghost ?

[TRFrance]

This thread is beginning to go around in circles now...

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

NOPE to you.

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

IF one does not obey, they do not receive his Spirit.

Lol...Matt...my nope to you was a direct answer to your question if one can believe and not obey. The answer to that is - Nope

I proved it with the text I highlighted in red:
Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.


Did you read my response at all...or were you to busy loading up your gun...rofl....your answer is in red.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

This thread is beginning to go around in circles now...

Welcome to the AFF....bizniz as usual!

[J-Roc]

SOMEONE PLEASE POINT ME TO THE CROSS!!!




But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is. There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

[J-Roc]

Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. (Romans 3)

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Our response to the gospel is BELIEVING & TRUSTING!

That don't make sense, huh.....that's just too easy, isn't it? That's just foolishness, aint it?

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Do you do away with repentance too??

Let me ask this again.

Since believing and trusting are all one must do to be saved, is repentance not a prerequisite for salvation?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

[/INDENT]Spiritually, experientially, and ontologically, these experiences (pre-Pentecost/post-Pentecost) are very different entities, and served different purposes.

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Ontologically different? How's that?

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Let me ask this again.

Since believing and trusting are all one must do to be saved, is repentance not a prerequisite for salvation?

LOL...Matt


Romans 2 addresses that too:


Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

LOL...Matt


Romans 2 addresses that too:


Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

NOW WAIT A MINUTE. You are adding a work on our part to this. It is no longer JUST believing and obeying!!

Again, instead of answering with scripture, simply answer me. IS it ONLY Faith and Trust, or do you now add repentance into the salvation equation?

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

NOW WAIT A MINUTE. You are adding a work on our part to this. It is no longer JUST believing and obeying!!

Again, instead of answering with scripture, simply answer me. IS it ONLY Faith and Trust, or do you now add repentance into the salvation equation?

Abraham was, humanly speaking, the founder of our Jewish nation. What did he discover about being made right with God? If his good deeds had made him acceptable to God, he would have had something to boast about. But that was not God’s way. For the Scriptures tell us, “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned. But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners.