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12-21-2007, 07:30 PM
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What makes you think I don't believe it?
Remission of sins takes place at water baptism. Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16 If a minister will not baptise someone who they believe has not repented then that person sins are not remitted. Dan, I'm being very consistent in my beliefs as is Bro Elpey. |
True!
We have that power by obeying what Jesus said not that power at will like the Roman church teaches. Our authority is limited to what the Lord said.
And you know that.
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12-21-2007, 07:30 PM
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23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
When is sin remitted?
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In this context (remember context is key) the sin is remitted upon the wayward's repentance as they are led to repentance by the apostle in question.
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Who is remitting the sin?
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Specifically, in context, the 11 disciples. However, Paul essentially teaches the same process in I Corinthians 15 and indicates that it is a process of church discipline.
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Why did Jesus give them this authority?
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To establish a process by which spiritual authority can call for repentance and if necessary purge the church of those who are in continual sin and rebellion against Christ's gospel.
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12-21-2007, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
When is sin remitted?
Who is remitting the sin?
Why did Jesus give them this authority?
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Jesus evidently according to Dan was either Papal or a Mormon.
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12-21-2007, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
BUWWWWWAHHHHHAAAA!!!!
ROFL ... You forget .... in the 1 step view ... forgiveness and remission are one and the same ...
In your view remission is distinct ... it means to wash away ... erase ... blot out ... etc., etc.
The Greek uses one word for both forgiveness and remission ... APHESIS.
That's because the writers made no distinction ..... either ...
Yet today we have a backwards theology relying on the KJV distinctions to formulate FALSE doctrine.
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23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Who is remitting the sin?
Why did Jesus give them this authority?
Can you answer these verses from this scripture alone?
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12-21-2007, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquila
In this context (remember context is key) the sin is remitted upon the wayward's repentance as they are led to repentance by the apostle in question.
Specifically, in context, the 11 disciples. However, Paul essentially teaches the same process in I Corinthians 15 and indicates that it is a process of church discipline.
To establish a process by which spiritual authority can call for repentance and if necessary purge the church of those who are in continual sin and rebellion against Christ's gospel. |
Aquila ... unless you define terms w/ these folks as to what remit means ... you're wasting your time ...
They believe remit is distinct from forgiveness found in repentance .... remission only occurs at baptism ... while forgiveness is found at the confessional prayer.
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12-21-2007, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Who is remitting the sin?
Why did Jesus give them this authority?
Can you answer these verses from this scripture alone?
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He never has maybe this will be a change we shall see? 
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12-21-2007, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Aquila ... unless you define terms w/ these folks as to what remit means ... you're wasting your time ...
They believe remit is distinct from forgiveness found in repentance .... remission only occurs at baptism ... while forgiveness is found at the confessional prayer.
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You are not far from the kingdom. 
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12-21-2007, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
See the post before this one for my long winded and arduous research!!!!
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You're being lazy tonight, Dan. Usually you find something from your buddy, ....his name slips my mind at the moment..?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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12-21-2007, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
You're being lazy tonight, Dan. Usually you find something from your buddy, ....his name slips my mind at the moment..?
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Nothing lazy tonite, Mizpeh ... as long as our terms are different ... our conclusions will be ... A WASTE OF TIME.
This passage deals w/ forgiveness ... and Aquila has presented some good thoughts ...
Your view on remission is dictating the interpretation of
this scripture as to fit your baptismal regeneration and salvational re-enactment doctrine.
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12-21-2007, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
You're being lazy tonight, Dan. Usually you find something from your buddy, ....his name slips my mind at the moment..?
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Eh....John Calvin?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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