Pel, I have said that generally you have been very balanced. your reference here might (without the context of the current atomosphere) have not been seen as crossing that line... .however, you do have to admit that the context is what it is. I believe Scotty's irritiation is with the way some have used the PCI doctrine as a baseball bat. the words "Papist" and "Mormon" and "Baptismal Regenreationilist" (sp) have been tossed about and used in a very unkind and inaccurate manner for the last little while and I think that is the source of Scotty's irritation.
At least he has been here to tell it. others have just checked out.
I personally would like to see them come back. I hope you agree with that.
I do appreciate you and i agree that every side of our history needs to be visible. I have ALWAYS said that the UPCI needs both the PAJC and the PCI view. (And this board does too.)
You big ole smarmy compromiser!!!!!
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
Ah, but there's the rub isn't it. The "again" or "from above" is explicitly a refrence to "the Spirit." The "water" has no such explicit connection, and so mortal men are left to ponder the implications.
No need to ponder just follow Jesus' example later in the chapter!
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
Ferd, I think that our recently banned Dan is one of the guilty parties using the terms that you deem disparaging and that you are projecting his use of those words on others who are not presently banned.
How can ANYBODY be saved without the work of the Holy Ghost anyway!??
It's impossible I tell ya. Impossible!!! Gracious! How difficult does it have to be?
From what you wrote (and I haven't read the latest in this thread) I take it you are saying the Holy Ghost has to be inside of a person to work in any way upon that person's heart.
Can't the Holy Spirit work on the outside of a person before they are saved? He did with me.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
OK! Enough!
Time for a sappy hippy song and a group hug:
To the Tune of "Where have all the Flowers Gone" Pete Seeger 1960-whatever
Where have all the 3-steppers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the 3-steppers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the 3-steppers gone?
They have 3-stepped every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the ultra-cons gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the ultra-cons gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the ultra-cons gone?
They're in Tulsa every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the liberals gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the liberals gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the liberals gone?
Watching TV every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
I grew up hearing strong preaching teaching that went like this:
You MUST repent of your sin.
You MUST be baptized in the name of Jesus.
You MUST receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost accompanied by the initial sign of tongues.
There were no ifs, ands or buts about it. All 3 steps were necessary. However, there were some differences among the men who pastored me as to WHY the baptism of the Spirit was essential. And these differences exist today in the Oneness Apostolic movement. If you think otherwise I'm here to tell you different.
Hehe.
Felicity, I would like to know what the difference is between being baptized in the Spirit with the evidence of tongues if, as most PCI's claim, one receives the Spirit upon faith and repentance? What did your pastors tell you?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
IT"S NOT THREE STEPS. STEPS IMPLY A DISTINCT ORDER.
It's a recipe, all the ingredients of the new birth (repentance, water, and Spirit) are essintial. The order of water and Spirit baptism is not.
Love to All!
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Maybe I'm incorrect on this,but I have heard that borned of water is a Hebrew or Jewish eupherism for being made clean.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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