Ferd, if you knew my background you would probably shake your head at all the fussing and fighting that I've endured. It's even been the subject of numerous news stories for around 30 years. Since Raven took his "mask" off, maybe I should... sometime. But I'm afraid of hurting others by doing so.
I think that would be very interesting! (no, I don't have a clue, just think it would be interesting!)
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Since it's the end of the year, I'll wait to see if old Cronos devours anymore of his children.
Just don't go anywhere, I for one thoroughly enjoy your posts, I laugh out loud at them, frequently!
Thanks. I had forgotten about that and Googling for it didn't bring it up. I was desperately looking for what you referred to, I'm sorry that my apparent foggy headedness prevented me from following along with you more closely.
In the context above, Scotty had offered the idea that "the Spirit" would lead people into truth. I countered with the Mormon teaching of "the burning" (supposedly that is the Holy Spirit telling a prospective Mormon that the Book of Mormon is true) and the RCC's claim for their own infallibility.
I don't see that Scotty refuted my assertion, though I don't have a very good track record for remembering posts at the moment. The reliance upon subjective confirmations for "truth" will often get us into trouble. This perhaps is not even along the lines of what StMatthew was ruminating upon when he started the thread so I don't see a point in hammering it.
I do not see "the line" that you refer to. I hope that this doesn't cause you to be overly disappointed with me, I just don't see it. Scotty made a statement, I said, "That statement sounds a lot like the teachings of..." and I gave a couple of examples. You do see the latent antagonism in Scotty's post too, don't you?
Scotty could have countered with something like, "The Mormon experience of 'the burning' isn't contained in the New Testament experience of the apostles so your analogy fails..." At which point I would been left to stumble about grasping for other examples of "subjective proof" which were dealt with unfavorably in the New Testament. Afterward, one or the other of us may owe the other a dinner, but fellowship continues.
My last statement in the post you cite is perhaps the most unkind- if "unkind" is even the word for it:
I truly feel that way, however. People bring up "our heritage" and make appeals to respect it. But then when we really get into it, the discussion spoils and our beloved elders are pushed back into the stable in downtown Los Angeles as if we are ashamed to even acknowledge them.
Bro. these are all points that are valid to debate and discussion, (but I think we need start another thread lol, lest we highjack this one)
The point here is the "others".
Ones that want to preach , once saved always saved or in the end we all will be saved saint and sinner alike. I could be wrong but stmatthew started this thread due to the fact , I believe, that him and BOOMM were left alone to defend ALL apostolic beliefs against a belief that is just simply way out there. For a reference in question
now go to about page31 and read a few pages to the end.
Again , I could be wrong , but I think this is what started the thread we are on now .
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Bro. these are all points that are valid to debate and discussion, (but I think we need start another thread lol, lest we highjack this one)
The point here is the "others".
Ones that want to preach , once saved always saved or in the end we all will be saved saint and sinner alike. I could be wrong but stmatthew started this thread due to the fact , I believe, that him and BOOMM were left alone to defend ALL apostolic beliefs against a belief that is just simply way out there. For a reference in question
now go to about page31 and read a few pages to the end.
Again , I could be wrong , but I think this is what started the thread we are on now .
That might be part of it. it isnt all of it.
I do not believe I have to convert those that disagree with me. For me it is enought that i am "sharpened" in these exchanges.
but when the debate becomes about a person or a group, not just being wrong but being evil... I take exception.
I have taken exeption when PCI people have been put upon in that light, and now i am taking exception to myself and other PAJC people being called names and castagated for our belief.
I supect we agree in this.
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The difference is spiritual regeneration vs. Spirit baptism and anointing. Once again, different workings of the Spirit accomplishing different results.
I'm supposed to be packing boxes. I'm gonna get demerits from TB if I don't get to work.
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That's the short answer. I typed out a longer one but I'll let this suffice for now.
Except to say ..... ..... that it's very important to remember that there are many different works/operations of the Spirit of God! They don't all happen at one and the same time.
And to also quickly add ..... ..... that we're either walking in light or in darkness. It's one or the other. There is no "half born" position. You're either born again spiritually or you ain't.
Judging by the huge change that takes place in most people's lives upon conversion ....... judging by the spiritual transformation that happens ...... we can't say there wasn't an inward work of the Holy Spirit prior to speaking in tongues.
Absolutely!! If one has heard the Word, believed it to be such, and repented of their sins, there certainly is an inward work of the Spirit.
I really don't care if anyone here hates me for saying this, take it for what its worth, but "unless a man is born again of the water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" John 3:5. I know, I know its too simple to understand.
Put a couple of extra words (the ones I have bolded) in there, didn't you?
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I just don't want to see us "throw the baby out with the bath water" as MP stated previously.
This isn't a UPC forum, it's an Apostolic forum and there is some leeway in that as there are many different "beliefs" within the Apostolic ranks. However, as our forum rules state, we have defined what we expect Apostolic to mean.
There will always be differences of opinions and I do hope we can allow for those, but what needs to be tweaked a bit is the attitudes when posting those opinions.
We don't want to all say and think alike - - how boring would that be.
I think the problem is some folks keep reusing the same bath water over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzz
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I think I see the cause of your confusion however: I was responding to the following post by you as you were adding the humorous Rodney King pic. Notice in my quote below that, I have no Rodney King pic.
We both had the post "open" - you were still adding to it and I was quoting it and wires got tangled- it's no big deal.
Well, there was no confusion on my part sir, but there was on yours. You yourself said "I'm confused now" (post #241). I knew what I was referring to with the picture. You apparently didn't, even after I explained it to you (on #237).
Yes, I did see that we got our posts crossed... which is why I explained myself on that post after the Rodney King picture, and yet even after that you were STILL making reference to OP's emulating the bad behavior of certain other churches, etc... even thought I had already said my post had nothing to do with that. Thats was somewhat annoying, to be sure, since you went off on a tangent having nothing to do with what I was even talking about. Simply, the idea of the picture was people in harmony and agreement, not conflict.
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And I didn't feel like it was a "tangent." I was comparing the way the RCC, Eastern Orthodox, Armenian, Jewish and Muslim clerics represented groups that were as quarrelsome as we are. The major difference is that we haven't yet resorted to the shedding of blood.
Lets be real, here Pel -- of course you were off on a tangent. Your asking me why I wanted to "emulate them" or "be like them" showed you were clearly missing the intent of the post. It was clear your were running off in a direction far from the original intent of my post, even after I had updated the post and tried to clarify things in my response to your first comment.
This all caused me to have to come back and further clarify myself a second time, because, obviously you weren't paying attention to what I had said previously. If you consider that to be me "losing my cool", or expressing hostility, then you may be a tad oversensitive, bud.
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Hmmm... you loose your cool and then project that hostility onto me.
Again, no anger here. I'm sorry that you thought you saw hostility in my posts, there was certainly none intended.
No anger or hostility here either sir. Sorry you thought you saw hostility in mine. I never accused you of hostility in your posts. Inattentiveness maybe, but not hostility.
Anyway..lets just move along.
Happy New Year.
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The reliance upon subjective confirmations for "truth" will often get us into trouble. This perhaps is not even along the lines of what StMatthew was ruminating upon when he started the thread so I don't see a point in hammering it. 
..... that it's very important to remember that there are many different works/operations of the Spirit of God! They don't all happen at one and the same time.
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