Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Barb]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You are quite right.

Yes he is...

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I can't quite work out all of this after this thread either. I thought I had it worked out..but then they get all PCI and PAJC and start dissecting other things and...

I *think* 3 stepper (PAJC I think) is 1. repent 2. be baptized in Jesus' name 3. be filled with the Holy Ghost. THEN you're saved. And 1 stepper (PCI I think) is 1. repent, then you're saved 2 be baptized in Jesus' name 3. be filled with the Holy Ghost.

Light doctrine I *think* is being saved by what "Light" you've seen. Like someone who's only been taught being baptized in the titles would be saved because they were faithful to what they knew.

Okay -- thanks... granted, it's just informational for me so I can follow the 'conversation'.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

I Thess. 5:21, tells us to "Prove (test) all things; hold fast that which is
good".


When our eldest grandson (who will be married four years in a few days)

and his wife, have our first great-grandchild, it will began the sixth (6th)

generation that I have lived to see the truth of the Acts 2:38 message

proved!


I believe with all my heart the story of how my paternal grandmother, who

was a devout Methodist, walking in all the light she knew, heard the message

of Acts 2:38, checked it out in the Word, believed and obeyed it. My late

father who heard this message, along with my mother, also heard, believed

and obeyed this message, That was in the mid-30's and in the late 1950's,

I also received the Holy Spirit that they had received earlier.


Our children, who were born from 1960 until 1975, also have all believed and

obeyed this message and all of our grandchildren who are old enough to

understand have also believed and obeyed. All are active in church and the

two eldest are in the ministry. The oldest grandson is a licensed minister of

this gospel and his brother three years younger, will be licensed shortly.


Glory, glory, hallelujah, HIS TRUTH is marching ON and ON and ON........!!

Thank you, Lord Jesus! I would highly recommend it to anyone! God is NOT

the author of confusion!


Incidentally, I had never heard of 3-stepper until this forum. Who started

labeling??


Blessings,

Falla39

Thank you, Bro. Ron and Bro. Ferd, for your encouraging words. Sounds

like you have a great heritage too, Bro. Ferd!!

Blessings,

Falla39

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Excuse my ignorance for this question is asked that I might overcome said ignorance.

Which group is 1 steppers and which is 3 steppers? Are there 2 steppers? And what in the world is Light Doctrine?

I think this is an excellent example of the "Light Doctrine." And the fact that it originally dates back to around 1927 (I think) is helpful for showing how these folks were thinking.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The attached file at this post

[Sam]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Excuse my ignorance for this question is asked that I might overcome said ignorance.

Which group is 1 steppers and which is 3 steppers? Are there 2 steppers? And what in the world is Light Doctrine?

1. Among Apostolic ministers, teachers, etc. there are differences of opinion on how and when a person is justified/saved/born again. Some believe a person is saved when he/she turns to God in faith and repentance. Others believe a person is not saved until after water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism. Those who believe a person is saved at faith/repentance are called "one-steppers" and those who believe salvation happens after water and Spirit baptism are called "three-steppers." It seems that these are terms we use on forums and not actual terms people usually go by.

When the UPC was formed in 1945, two organizations came together. One was the PCI (Pentecostal Church Incorporated) and the other was the PAJC (Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ). Many (I don't think anyone really knows how many) in the PCI fell into what we would call "one-stepper" category and many (I don't think anybody really knows how many) in the PAJC fell into what we would call the "three-stepper" category.

So on these forums we use terms like "PCI" and "one-stepper" to define one group and "PAJC" or "three-stepper" to define another group. Some times the terms are used in a derogatory manner.

2. Light doctrine?
There are a couple of ways "Light Doctrine" is used.
Some use it to designate a belief that a person is saved (currently and in this life) by walking in all the light that he/she has received. Thus, a person like Martin Luther or a person like Charles Wesley is considered saved because, even though they were not baptized in Jesus' name or baptized in the Holy Spirit, they lived up to all they knew. Also, according to some, a trinitarian is saved if he/she is walking in all the light they have but if they hear about baptism in Jesus' name and do not accept it, their light becomes darkness and they are now lost.

Another version of the Light Doctrine which is quite prevalent among ministers who came from ABI or were influenced by teachers such as G.T. Haywood, F.E. Curts, and S.G. Norris is that a person is not really saved or a child of God and will not be in the rapture or first resurrection if they have not completed all three steps outlined in Acts 2:38. However, there is a second resurrection and all those who have walked in whatever light they had will be given eternal life at that second resurrection.

[nathan_slatter]

Thanks pelathais and Sam.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sam

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Another version of the Light Doctrine which is quite prevalent among ministers who came from ABI or were influenced by teachers such as G.T. Haywood, F.E. Curts, and S.G. Norris is that a person is not really saved or a child of God and will not be in the rapture or first resurrection if they have not completed all three steps outlined in Acts 2:38. However, there is a second resurrection and all those who have walked in whatever light they had will be given eternal life at that second resurrection.

That's some excellent background material, Sam. And for those who hesitate at the labeling (I know I do) it generally follows old time patterns and practices. The "One Stepper" and "Two Stepper" tags were just a sort of short hand for messily lumping a very broad sperctrum of beliefs into two easily identifiable catagories.

One should not use those labels unless it is understood that the terms are very loose and don't really do any justice to either sides teachings.

You've reminded me of a chorus:


I’M GOING UP A flat

I’m going up, I’m going up
I’m going up in the first resurrection.
I’m going up, I’m going up
I’m going up to meet the Lord.
They’ll be coming from the East,
Coming from the West,
Coming from the North,
They’ll be coming from the South.
I’m going up, I’m going up
I’m going up to meet the Lord.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Thanks pelathais and Sam.

BTW - that's a handsome ezine site you have. I see you're using the magazine template for WordPad. WordPress. How's that working out for you?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

BTW - that's a handsome ezine site you have. I see you're using the magazine template for WordPad. How's that working out for you?

You mean WordPress right? LOL

[Praxeas]

BTW just curious nathan, but do you make your own images for the links to the right for the movies? I was just curious...I mean what are the legalities of doing that?