Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by scotty

I'm .....not .......seeing ...........this................

But I agree, you may need to take some time brother, sometime we need to do that. Will say a prayer for you. God bless.

It all depends on which fan club you belong to at any particular moment

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If one were to ask specifically what a "one stepper" Apostolic believes regarding salvation, how would one explain it?

For example a "three stepper" Apostolic would write:

In order to be saved one must:

- Repent of Sin

- Be water baptized, by emersion, in Jesus name

- Receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost

Look, I like things short and sweet. I enjoy books with bullets pointing directly to the facts as opposed to a long drawn out laborious study of tombs of literature or page after page of a forum thread. I'm a busy man and I like to know. If I find the points as outlined provocative I'll study up on it. But if someone cannot even articulate what they believe in a short and clear fashion, I just loose interest. I'm not looking for a long explaination...just a point by point explaination.

Can someone please help this ol' fogie with a short and sweet bullet by bullet explaination of what a "one stepper" believes?

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

What?

This is a fatalistic view - - he hasn't won anything!

AND this isn't HIS HOUSE - - why do you insist on saying that over and over again?

This forum is no ONE'S.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Ban me if you wish. I understand the need for damage control. But he HAS won. His view has dominated the board for months now. The front page is littered with this junk.

The truth is he runs this place through sheer volume of posts.

I won't say more out of respect for admin.

Originally Posted by Ferd

THAT was a stupid statement. S T U P I D.

quote me and get all red in the face and report the post.

PM all your friends and have them report it.

STUPID. Anyone who knows me, anyone who has posted with me going back to Faithchild days knows exactly how dumb that comment was.

Once again you repeat the innane in an attempt to make a truth out of a lie.

This is the progression of "winning." Obviously DA has had a big box of crayons and enjoys coloring the posters who disagree with him as...whatever he wants to call them.

Ask everyone who has left if he and his flunkies have won. That would be a popular poll. Yup.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

I am back from the experience, and from what I have seen, this has went from scriptural discussion to personal insults, to damning others to Hell. Here is the case in point to me, and I think I will excuse myself for a few hours from this thread.

I cannot nor will I judge someone in the Church who believes in repentance and Jesus name baptism to Hell. I am not God, just His servant. I have no desire to kick God off of His throne and tell someone that unless they get baptized, they are not saved. I am still as Apostolic as I ever was. And, this whole mess needs to stop now.

No one is convincing anyone. Everyone is attacked or attacking. One damns souls to Hell when they do not believe exactly as they should. ENOUGH! (Yes, I am shouting!)

You have no right to ........ a soul to hell, because you cannot judge me as lost. You are not God, and neither am I. We are all in the gracious hands of the Lord Jesus Christ, and no one, No One has the right to judge a brother in such a manner. Sin is not at the door here, and false doctrine is judged by some only when they disagree with another's POV.

Might I suggest and end to this?

Admins, please, for the sake of unity, close and delete this thread. I ask sincerely of this.

While you're right, we shouldn't resign a soul to hell if they don't believe like us...it is perfectly our responsiblity to mark those who teach something contrary to the Bible.

If one said they believed in Allah and not Jesus...should we refrain from resigning them to being lost? Of course not. We have to teach and preach the Apostolic truth of Scripture.

So now the question is...what does Scripture teach? Is baptism in Jesus name a command laid upon both the church and believer? If yes...we are bound by the very Word of God.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Brother,

There is something about this post that doesn't set right with my spirit. I hope your not saying all "three-steppers" are like these brothers who are exhibiting unChrist-like behavior and all "one-steppers" are without sin. I agree with you that those who believe salvation is at faith and repentance were hard done by when the AS came out, but there is just something wrong with the way you are going about things here. Maybe some deep seated resentment?

I just finished reading A Tale of Three Kings by Gene Edwards. Have you read it?

I'm sorry, Mizpeh. Of course it would be wrong to say "all 3 steppers..." or "all 1 steppers..." or "all of anybody..." As Scotty pointed out, there are entire areas that appear to be immune to this kind of stuff.

I just threw that post out there to respond to a string of complaints about how aggressive the "1 steppers" are. It is a matter of fact that this "war" within the UPC was started by a group of zealous "3 steppers" who made no bones about reviling our leaders.

I don't think I feel "resentment," deep seated or otherwise. Too many of these people keep getting their "comeuppance" for me to feel like "Jesus has left the building." (That's when resentment would truly set in).

I'm just adding my voice to the choruses. Take it for what it's worth; and I'll be the first to tell you that my opinion and perspectives are a mere drop in the bucket, at best.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I know what Pelathais is responding to. I wish he had used generalizations instead of names and places. I also had his other post in mind when I wrote that in which he said:

I'm curious to know if this is his opinion of all 'three stepper' because that is the impression I am getting.

I'm sure it is true and prevalent but I cannot believe it is the norm.

I'm afraid all I have is my experiences. I'm just one guy and a small fish at that. "How prevelant...?" I have no idea.

And I did want to try and provide enough examples to show Scotty that I'm not making things up. My experiences may be atypical, I hope that is the case! But I kept silent for a number of years thinking that I was supposed to be silent. Meanwhile, the attacks continued and good men were left in despair.

Finally when I was publically attacked from a pulpit in the presence of my children, I went directly to my district board and demanded an investigation. The subject of the investigation was of me! I was exonerated completely and an offer was extended to me to rejoin the ministerial fellowship. All of this is a matter of record with my district board, though this also obviously makes me someone that a lot of preachers would just rather not have around.

[scotty]

BUMP!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by scotty

Here is some scripture for everyone that has nothing to do with 1 2 or 3 steppin, Its called the Love of Christ in us. You want a true sign of salvation or filling of the Spirit which is Christ without any way to twist or disect it?

1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


If we are truely "saved" as in the indwelling of the Spirit of God in us then we WILL ressemble the above.

[Thad]

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Chill Out Scott




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[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

This is the progression of "winning." Obviously DA has had a big box of crayons and enjoys coloring the posters who disagree with him as...whatever he wants to call them.

Ask everyone who has left if he and his flunkies have won. That would be a popular poll. Yup.

Since we're naming Dan specifically here, who exactly are his "flunkies." Is there some sort of organization that Dan A. controls that subverts the board?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Thad

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Chill Out Scott




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