The Pentecostals of ........(Arrogance)? - Page 13

TrmptPraise · #**121** 01-06-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

You know, I was raised in a UPC pastor's home, and of all the ministers, pastors, evangelists, presbyters, etc. that we hung out with, I cannot remember hearing a single preacher EVER say that only UPCers would be saved. My Daddy fellowshipped with PAW, ALJC, Independents, AMF, and a few AOG.

Where do you people get your ideas?

Sorry, she responded before me. But yes, the UPC that I grew up in and still affiliate with embraced and fellowshipped with like believers in the PAW, ALJC and many independents. They are not looked on as not saved or dis-fellowshipped.

Fiyahstarter · #**122** 01-07-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by acharris

Only those who look UPC, of course. You can spot them pretty easy.

Unfortunately, this has also been my experience. 10 years in UPC ...

Fiyahstarter · #**123** 01-07-2008, 12:37 AM

I guess I'm too easy, but I would never dis-fellow another Christian. Nor would I condemn them to hell. It's just not my job.

#**124** 01-07-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

I guess I'm too easy, but I would never dis-fellow another Christian. Nor would I condemn them to hell. It's just not my job.

Good for you Brother. Continue with the love of Jesus and you'll help many!

Rhoni · #**125** 01-07-2008, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Sorry, she responded before me. But yes, the UPC that I grew up in and still affiliate with embraced and fellowshipped with like believers in the PAW, ALJC and many independents. They are not looked on as not saved or dis-fellowshipped.

I grew up UPCI from the mid 1960's. We were not allowed to fellowship ALJC churches. There was one a street over from where I lived in Elyria, Ohio. Bro. Kirk was the Pastor. I was told they didn't 'keep the standards'. From what I know of ALJC they keep more of that ultra-conservative 'dress standard' than many UPCI churches.

In regards to this thread. I believe we Apostolics were looked down on because of our many ecentricities and the Pastors began to preach that we were King's Kids and should be proud of our heritage. This boost in self-esteem led to some arrogance on our part, thinking we were better than other denominations, and even better than our own brothers and sisters.

I know at Ohio youth camp the church's reputation was built on the legalistic degree of dress standards and service. This was also the same for JCM days. We girls from Ohio looked down on the girls & guys from Texas and Lousianna because we considered them very loose, and we very holy.

You can disagree but I was there and I was from Ohio and I know what we Ohio girls thought.

Blessings,Rhoni

P.S. It came back to bite me on the butt when I was no longer keeping Ohio girl tradition and ostracisized and thought to be a traitor by a very high profile, 2 very high profile UPCI VIPs.

Sister Alvear · #**126** 01-07-2008, 06:24 AM

At one time many UPC churches were led to believe they were the only ones and others were maybe less enlightened...but it is not so today. I have many precious friends that are UPC...
Cards will never save anyone in fact they tend to divide.

Rhoni · #**127** 01-07-2008, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

At one time many UPC churches were led to believe they were the only ones and others were maybe less enlightened...but it is not so today. I have many precious friends that are UPC...
Cards will never save anyone in fact they tend to divide.

Sis Alvear,

This is true. Hoepfully things have changed but when you see what is happening with the group from Tulsa, OK it makes you wonder. I went to school with Dearrah & Steve Buxton, and knew someone who dated Treadus French, and I know the brothers from Indiana...I can't imagine being so conservative that they would throw over the monopoly board and play their own game. It amazes me.

BTW, have you left San Paulo yet? Are you still coming into Houston? Driving or flying? Will you be coming through my area? I know you have some family here. I'd love to see you.

Blessings, Rhoni

MissBrattified · #**128** 01-07-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

I grew up UPCI from the mid 1960's. We were not allowed to fellowship ALJC churches. There was one a street over from where I lived in Elyria, Ohio. Bro. Kirk was the Pastor. I was told they didn't 'keep the standards'. From what I know of ALJC they keep more of that ultra-conservative 'dress standard' than many UPCI churches.

This clearly explains our different points of view.

As Sister Alvear stated -

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

At one time many UPC churches were led to believe they were the only ones and others were maybe less enlightened...but it is not so today. I have many precious friends that are UPC...

I'll just reiterate my previous post...now, I have known of quite a few ministers who didn't fellowship with this one or that one, but ironically enough it wasn't (normally) because they felt the other group was going to miss heaven. I have my own opinions about some of the reasons, but I'll keep them to myself for now.

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Cards will never save anyone in fact they tend to divide.

They certainly won't save anyone, Sister A. You're right about that!

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The Catholic church used to execute "heretics", but we cannot say they do that now, even though it is in their history. Likewise, the state of the UPCI today is not the same as its history in many places. Things change, ebb and flow, and adjust.

Sister Alvear · #**129** 01-07-2008, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sis Alvear,

This is true. Hoepfully things have changed but when you see what is happening with the group from Tulsa, OK it makes you wonder. I went to school with Dearrah & Steve Buxton, and knew someone who dated Treadus French, and I know the brothers from Indiana...I can't imagine being so conservative that they would throw over the monopoly board and play their own game. It amazes me.

BTW, have you left San Paulo yet? Are you still coming into Houston? Driving or flying? Will you be coming through my area? I know you have some family here. I'd love to see you.

Blessings, Rhoni

Since my flight was canceled they are trying to get me on one that will not have so many layovers but I will only know tonight. PM me your phone number and if am in Houston for any time at all I will give you a call. Love you friend.

(I have family close to Dallas. My sister in law.)

LadyChocolate · #**130** 01-07-2008, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

You know, I was raised in a UPC pastor's home, and of all the ministers, pastors, evangelists, presbyters, etc. that we hung out with, I cannot remember hearing a single preacher EVER say that only UPCers would be saved. My Daddy fellowshipped with PAW, ALJC, Independents, AMF, and a few AOG.

Where do you people get your ideas?

I also grew up in the UPC. I enjoyed it! I never heard anyone say that the "upc" thinks they were the only saved until I started hanging out with independents. That was when I heard how "bad" the UPCI was! Today, we will fellowship with good men who preach truth and do not compromise. It doesn't matter what their initials are.