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Old 01-11-2008, 05:59 PM
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When the pastor had Bro.Treese come it was because there was an epidemic of hair cutting going on in that church. But even after the service the women kept cutting their hair. it doesn't matter how much scripture you give to some people they will do their own will anyway.

Just look at baptism in Jesus name. There are some people who have rejected truth and God has sent them a strong delusion, and now they cannot see the truth.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:08 PM
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(Jer 7:29) Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for the LORD hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.

Why did the prophet tell Jerusalem to cut off her hair? Because she was a spiritual harlot and would not be faithful or obedient to her husband Jehovah. And just so that everyone that saw Jerusalem would know that she was a spiritual harlot the prophet told her to cut off her hair and cast it from thee. It is very possible that Paul had this scripture in mind when he wrote (I Co 11).
I have a question- did Jerusalem cut off their hair? Do you believe or does the bible say this really happened?

Do you believe this principle applied in the old testament or did it just pop up in the new testament?

Do people who took the vow of a nazarite count? Or were they excluded somehow?

Did John the Baptist count as he had uncut hair?

Why did Samson have power when his hair was uncut? Also notice that he regained power when his hair started growing long again. Is this power somehow related to the power of the woman's head today?
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:14 PM
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I have a question- did Jerusalem cut off their hair? Do you believe or does the bible say this really happened?

Do you believe this principle applied in the old testament or did it just pop up in the new testament?

Do people who took the vow of a nazarite count? Or were they excluded somehow?

Did John the Baptist count as he had uncut hair?

Why did Samson have power when his hair was uncut? Also notice that he regained power when his hair started growing long again. Is this power somehow related to the power of the woman's head today?
I'm sure you don't know it but you are embarrassing yourself with your lack scriptural knowledge.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:18 PM
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I'm sure you don't know it but you are embarrassing yourself with your lack scriptural knowledge.
Well, I guess by your labeling I'm in a good crowd with Peter?

Seriously though. If you are going to be the author of this thread and one poses questions and all you do is shoot back a negative comment I question whether you are a true man of God or not.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:19 PM
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Did Brother Treece ever find the greek for YOU EFF OH?
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:22 PM
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(Jer 7:29) Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for the LORD hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.

Why did the prophet tell Jerusalem to cut off her hair? Because she was a spiritual harlot and would not be faithful or obedient to her husband Jehovah. And just so that everyone that saw Jerusalem would know that she was a spiritual harlot the prophet told her to cut off her hair and cast it from thee. It is very possible that Paul had this scripture in mind when he wrote (I Co 11).


Here's the scripture....

(I Co 11:6) For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shornκείρω) but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn (keiro) or shaven, let her be covered.


***Enhanced Strong's Lexicon:
2751 κείρω [keiro /ki·ro/] v. A primary verb; GK 3025; Four occurrences; AV translates as “shear” three times, and “shearer” once. 1 to sheer: a sheep. 2 to get or let be shorn. 3 of shearing or cutting short the hair of the head.


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SHEAR, SHEARER, SHORN
keiro (κείρω, 2751) is used (a) of “shearing sheep,” Acts 8:32, “shearer,” lit., “the (one) shearing”: (b) in the middle voice, “to have one’s hair cut off, be shorn,” Acts 18:18; 1 Cor. 11:6


***DBL Greek:

3025 κείρω (keirō): vb.; ≡ Str 2751—LN 19.23 cut hair, shear (another), (Ac 8:32+); (dep.) to have one’s hair cut (Ac 18:18; 1Co 11:6(2×)+)


NASB Dictionaries
2751.***************κείρω keirō; a prim. vb.; to shear:— cut(1), hair cut off(2), shearer(1).

Thayer's Greek English Lexicon

keirw Acts 18:18; absolutely, of shearing or cutting short the hair of the head, 1 Corinthians 11:6 (cf. Winer’s Grammar, sec. 43, 1).*


Louw, & Nida

88.150 αἰσχρός, ά, όν: pertaining to behaving in a disgraceful or shameful manner—‘disgraceful, shameful.’ εἰ δὲ αἰσχρὸν γυναικὶ τὸ κείρασθαι ἢ ξυρᾶσθαι, κατακαλυπτέσθω ‘since it is shameful for a woman to shave or cut her hair, she should cover her head’ 1 Cor 11:6.


Dr. M.D. Treece of Lake Charles, LA. was a UPC pastor and a Greek scholar. He was in Dallas, TX. many years ago teaching on the hair issue. I happened to be in that service and I still have his original handout from his teaching that night. Here is (I Co 11:6) from that handout.

(I Co 11:6) For if a women (is) not covered, let her be sheared, (or cut) but if (it is) a disgrace for a women to be sheared or shaved, let her continue being covered.

He also said that the word “continue” in the Greek meant to continue to let the hair grow. He said that meant not to cut the hair.

We can add more later!
Ok I have to ask if Jeremiah meant shave off or trim. Second you don't tell us what the greek word for "continue" is in the greek because I am looking and don't see any word in that context that is translated continue...
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