Biblical Hair Study

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Half? Nope, I used the complete bible authorized by King James himself! The man in control at that point in history is the man who writes the bible, you see.

You have your own opinions? Cool. Sounds interesting and maybe you can share or were you just teasing us like BBQing a nice steak and not letting us eat?

You have a Bible from 1611? You know even the "authorized" version of today is a revised version. We don't use olde English anymore.


ARPH

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

You have a Bible from 1611? You know even the "authorized" version of today is a revised version. We don't use olde English anymore.


ARPH

Yea, thou hast spoken thee truthe

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think the point is....why should we answer your questions when you won't answer ours? See EBs point about the other thread. I'd make points and ask you questions and you'd respond with posts that had nothing to do with my post...you just blew my posts completely off

WBF, please understand our heart, we just would like you to behave yourself while you are here posting. Look, just follow my example. Ask anyone here, and they will tell you that by posting the same way as I do will get you banned.

Now, think about that, won't you? You will find a wonderful world to explore once you have learned the Evang.Benincasa Style of Posting for Fun and Leisure.

You too can go down in flames...er... I mean history by following my quick and easy steps.

1) constantly hound posters to no end.

2) prod and poke until poster wears out.

3) Annoy posters by being right all the time.

and last but not least,

4) Be extremely charming.

You see, it's just that simple WBF.

I know you can do it, just give it a try.

Brother Benincasa

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Rev

(Jer 7:29) Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for the LORD hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.

Why did the prophet tell Jerusalem to cut off her hair? Because she was a spiritual harlot and would not be faithful or obedient to her husband Jehovah. And just so that everyone that saw Jerusalem would know that she was a spiritual harlot the prophet told her to cut off her hair and cast it from thee. It is very possible that Paul had this scripture in mind when he wrote (I Co 11).


Here's the scripture....

(I Co 11:6) For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shornκείρω) but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn (keiro) or shaven, let her be covered.


***Enhanced Strong's Lexicon:
2751 κείρω [keiro /ki·ro/] v. A primary verb; GK 3025; Four occurrences; AV translates as “shear” three times, and “shearer” once. 1 to sheer: a sheep. 2 to get or let be shorn. 3 of shearing or cutting short the hair of the head.


Vine's
SHEAR, SHEARER, SHORN
keiro (κείρω, 2751) is used (a) of “shearing sheep,” Acts 8:32, “shearer,” lit., “the (one) shearing”: (b) in the middle voice, “to have one’s hair cut off, be shorn,” Acts 18:18; 1 Cor. 11:6


***DBL Greek:

3025 κείρω (keirō): vb.; ≡ Str 2751—LN 19.23 cut hair, shear (another), (Ac 8:32+); (dep.) to have one’s hair cut (Ac 18:18; 1Co 11:6(2×)+)


NASB Dictionaries
2751.***************κείρω keirō; a prim. vb.; to shear:— cut(1), hair cut off(2), shearer(1).

Thayer's Greek English Lexicon

keirw Acts 18:18; absolutely, of shearing or cutting short the hair of the head, 1 Corinthians 11:6 (cf. Winer’s Grammar, sec. 43, 1).*


Louw, & Nida

88.150 αἰσχρός, ά, όν: pertaining to behaving in a disgraceful or shameful manner—‘disgraceful, shameful.’ εἰ δὲ αἰσχρὸν γυναικὶ τὸ κείρασθαι ἢ ξυρᾶσθαι, κατακαλυπτέσθω ‘since it is shameful for a woman to shave or cut her hair, she should cover her head’ 1 Cor 11:6.


Dr. M.D. Treece of Lake Charles, LA. was a UPC pastor and a Greek scholar. He was in Dallas, TX. many years ago teaching on the hair issue. I happened to be in that service and I still have his original handout from his teaching that night. Here is (I Co 11:6) from that handout.

(I Co 11:6) For if a women (is) not covered, let her be sheared, (or cut) but if (it is) a disgrace for a women to be sheared or shaved, let her continue being covered.

He also said that the word “continue” in the Greek meant to continue to let the hair grow. He said that meant not to cut the hair.

We can add more later!

None of the following are sin...... Shame, Shorn, Shaven, Prophesieth, Covering.

None of it adds up to sin.

If it were a sin the Apostle you choose to lable the commandment Apostle (Paul) does not call it a Sin.

verse 16 shows that the Church did not start the "custom".

As for the old testement.

Samson had long hair as a man....

So get away from using the old testement for new testement vows....

If he wanted the woman not to cut their hair in the old testement, he would have wanted the old testement men to have short hair.

End of the day cut hair puts no one into hell or into heaven for not cutting your hair.....

At the end of your writings what is your conclusion "Standard" to measure holiness or Sin?

Tell us your conclusion and not the why or why not?

Neck

[TRFrance]

Interesting thread here.
My 2 cents on some of this...

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Did John the Baptist count as he had uncut hair?

I dont think John even belongs in this conversation.
Why should we assume John had uncut hair? The scriptures don't say that. From what I see, it says he was to drink no wine or strong drink (Luke 1:15), and wore garments of camel's hair (Matt 3:4) but it never said he was a Nazirite, or that he had uncut hair.

Originally Posted by Rev

I'm sure you don't know it but you are embarrassing yourself with your lack scriptural knowledge.

Unnecessary. Why not just answer the guy's questions? .. or ignore them.

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Well, I guess by your labeling I'm in a good crowd with Peter?

Seriously though. If you are going to be the author of this thread and one poses questions and all you do is shoot back a negative comment I question whether you are a true man of God or not.

Originally Posted by Rev

Guess what? I don't care what you question!
And who said I was a man of God?

??
Shouldn't every Christian man be a "man of God"?

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Sorry I am not in the military and I am not in the UPCI, therefore I am in a position to NOT TO BE CONTROLLED.

Interesting comment. Do you think the UPC is all about controlling people?
Also, out of curiosity... What is your religious affiliation? And do you consider yourself Apostolic... or what?

[Rev]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Interesting thread here.
My 2 cents on some of this...


I dont think John even belongs in this conversation.
Why should we assume John had uncut hair? The scriptures don't say that. From what I see, it says he was to drink no wine or strong drink (Luke 1:15), and wore garments of camel's hair (Matt 3:4) but it never said he was a Nazirite, or that he had uncut hair.


Unnecessary. Why not just answer the guy's questions? .. or ignore them.



??
Shouldn't every Christian man be a "man of God"?


Interesting comment. Do you think the UPC is all about controlling people?
Also, out of curiosity... What is your religious affiliation? And do you consider yourself Apostolic... or what?

Unnecessary. Why not just answer the guy's questions? .. or ignore them.

His questions have been asked and answered many, many times over. Why waste time answering them again?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Does not shorn and shaven imply closely cropped and being bald such as one cutting all their hair off ?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Rev

Unnecessary. Why not just answer the guy's questions? .. or ignore them.

His questions have been asked and answered many, many times over. Why waste time answering them again?

The Rev, is correct, WBF doesn't ask questions to try to get a dialogue going, WBF asks question to try and get a problem to bloom. I watched as he was going the rounds with Prax, Prax offered his arguments and WBF, ignored them as if he was having a discussion with an unknown poster.

While this may be entertaining, it can lead to a good round of mocking the newbie. So as to not get all of us banned at the same time. It was wisdom for Rev to leave WBF be.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Does not shorn and shaven imply closely cropped and being bald such as one cutting all their hair off ?

Could you explain a little more in detail?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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[Scott Hutchinson]

Not to be arguemenative,but if a man had hair down past his shoulders and trimmed the ends would he then have short hair?
I do believe men and women are to have differning hair lengths and be gender distinctive in their appearance.