Spiritual Abuse Forum???

WOW this a news flash to me. I have read much of the spiritualabuse.com site.

.org, not .com. The .com is operated by Jeff VanVonderen, one of the authors of The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse. They bought that domain after I'd gotten mine.

Thanks for the invitation, but I really have little time to post here. I'm here just now to respond to this thread.

[Steve Epley]

I think HER site is spiritual abuse so how's that??????????????????????

UPCI has some wonderful splendid people in it, and in the rest of the Apostolic movement we have some dynamite people

Absolutely! You may be surprised, but I very much agree.

I just heard an advertisement for not Religion dot com forum. I bring this site up because this is the fad right now to be anti-spiritual, anti-religious, and just plain old atheist. I speak with a lot of young people who are anti-Christians, anti-religion, these young people are looking for debate and argument but they really do want their questions answered.

The Spiritual Abuse Crew may at times run right along side the atheist's forums and what it tends to do is make our jobs more interesting.

Nah, we don't. We are a Christian board. It grieves me how some (at least temporarily) leave God due to what happened to them in a church. Some can't separate the wrong things that happened to them from the Bible (because often the Bible was used with them) and God. Some develop such a distorted view of God- He's a harsh taskmaster, just waiting for them to mess up so He can do something bad to them or leave them lost.

That is the worst aspect of spiritual abuse- and, unfortunately, some never do return to following God.

[tv1a]

Counting all those question marks should count as some type of abuse. lol

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I think HER site is spiritual abuse so how's that??????????????????????

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Counting all those question marks should count as some type of abuse. lol

[tv1a]

I had a new convert tell me recently she was witnessing to the secretary at her daughter's dentist. Come to find out she lived in the house right next to our church over 20 years ago. She said she would never come back to our church because as a kid, she was made fun of for wearing pants. People want to know I am militant against legalism? I have to clean up 50 years of this bovine excrement.

In order to do that, we have to utilize EVERY tool at our disposal. That includes having a community Halloween Bash. Complete with games, lights, free food, 50's and 60's music. Gave away a few ipods. Over 250 guests showed up for the event. Had 15 guest come the next day to hear the gospel of Jesus Chrsit. Still getting postive feedback from it. As of today, our Kidz Club minstry attendance increased 40%, we baptized a few people, others got the Holy Ghost.

This new convert and her family make me proud. We shot some video of this family's testimony. The local television station will air the video once we finish post production. This new convert would have been hamburger under that legalist system which dominated that church for years. I'm protective of my newbies. I am glad I don't have to indoctrinate them into cult-minded practices.

Originally Posted by Sarge

Absolutely! You may be surprised, but I very much agree.



Nah, we don't. We are a Christian board. It grieves me how some (at least temporarily) leave God due to what happened to them in a church. Some can't separate the wrong things that happened to them from the Bible (because often the Bible was used with them) and God. Some develop such a distorted view of God- He's a harsh taskmaster, just waiting for them to mess up so He can do something bad to them or leave them lost.

That is the worst aspect of spiritual abuse- and, unfortunately, some never do return to following God.

[Sherri]

Sarge, I want to publicly apologize if I've spoken out of line. I did not know that you were Lois. I have heard of Lois for a long time on here, but I had never seen your site until tonight. I guess I just get tired of people rehashing this stuff over and over. That's one reason we stopped going to Global stuff several years back for a while, because when people got together, all they wanted to do was rehash UPC stuff. We were done with that and had moved on. Global did finally get past it and move on.

Anyway, if I've read the site wrong, I'm sorry.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Absolutely! You may be surprised, but I very much agree.

I didn't think you would disagree. Like I posted, on your site you have information on both sides of the fence.

The One God Truth and the Trinitarians trying to refute.

Originally Posted by Sarge

Nah, we don't. We are a Christian board.

I don't think you understood what I posted. What I was saying is the atheists run neck and neck with the spiritual abuse crew who post that Apostolic Pentecostal preachers are dictators. So, I see it as just ducking the bullets that are fired from Trinitarians, Ex-One God, Atheists, New Agers, or cranky types who have lots of time on their hands.

I told a room of preachers that if what we have is the Gospel Truth then 50 tons of dynamite can’t blow it out of a person. People need the Holy Ghost and a prayer life, but most of all they need to study and ask questions when they don't understand. They also need to know how defend themselves with what they have learned from the Word.

Originally Posted by Sarge

It grieves me how some (at least temporarily) leave God due to what happened to them in a church. Some can't separate the wrong things that happened to them from the Bible (because often the Bible was used with them) and God. Some develop such a distorted view of God- He's a harsh taskmaster, just waiting for them to mess up so He can do something bad to them or leave them lost.

That is the worst aspect of spiritual abuse- and, unfortunately, some never do return to following God.

The above happens when they put more stock into man then the SCRIPTURES.

Also where is the Holy Ghost in all of this? My wife and I would of been dead if we didn't have the power of the living God, and the Word.

How many people are even taught the scriptures? How many are taught to use a concordance, lexicon, or even a dictionary. How many are taught that they MUST ASK QUESTIONS! Offence comes when a child is young, and as that child grows, if you don't deal with that offence early, you will have a problem in the future.

Now don't get me wrong. there are "some" individuals who think they have "Divine Right of Kings" and cause people to go under the lash, but if people are hungry and wanting truth more than religion they will not only survive they will lead others out, and be able to stick with the Apostolic Faith, but leave the wreckage behind.

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

[Rev]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I had a new convert tell me recently she was witnessing to the secretary at her daughter's dentist. Come to find out she lived in the house right next to our church over 20 years ago. She said she would never come back to our church because as a kid, she was made fun of for wearing pants. People want to know I am militant against legalism? I have to clean up 50 years of this bovine excrement.

In order to do that, we have to utilize EVERY tool at our disposal. That includes having a community Halloween Bash. Complete with games, lights, free food, 50's and 60's music. Gave away a few ipods. Over 250 guests showed up for the event. Had 15 guest come the next day to hear the gospel of Jesus Chrsit. Still getting postive feedback from it. As of today, our Kidz Club minstry attendance increased 40%, we baptized a few people, others got the Holy Ghost.

This new convert and her family make me proud. We shot some video of this family's testimony. The local television station will air the video once we finish post production. This new convert would have been hamburger under that legalist system which dominated that church for years. I'm protective of my newbies. I am glad I don't have to indoctrinate them into cult-minded practices.

Want to draw a crowd? Have another Woodstock!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Sarge, I want to publicly apologize if I've spoken out of line. I did not know that you were Lois. I have heard of Lois for a long time on here, but I had never seen your site until tonight. I guess I just get tired of people rehashing this stuff over and over. That's one reason we stopped going to Global stuff several years back for a while, because when people got together, all they wanted to do was rehash UPC stuff. We were done with that and had moved on. Global did finally get past it and move on.

Anyway, if I've read the site wrong, I'm sorry.

Sister Sherri, you are one of the nicest people, you didn't post anything that was off. Sister, when people first hit the Spiritual Abuse site they walk away with the same thoughts as you have posted. Please Sister, you done nothing wrong.

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/