Romans 10:9

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Me thinks Joelel cant answer cuz he is banned

I guess I'll just never figure it out. I got an "infraction" for "Inappropriate Language" the other day. My language?

I encouraged Pastor Poster to provide "DA" with an alternative silage egress during their last dust up.

However, without questioning I humbly accept my punishment and press my shoulder resolutely against the stone to start it on another uphill journey to the peak of yon mountain. And, I imagine Sisyphus is happy.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I think Romans 10:9 was written to tell folks that they must believe in the resurection of Christ before they can be saved.
I think ROMANS 9,10,11 are parenthetical chapters in that book.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Here's a powerful scripture for ya...


If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)

Many will then say, if you believe then you will obey...

What is attached to the belief?

Just simple belief or action attached to your belief?

That is the question..

[augustianian]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I think Romans 10:9 was written to tell folks that they must believe in the resurection of Christ before they can be saved.
I think ROMANS 9,10,11 are parenthetical chapters in that book.

Why do you think Romans 9, 10, and 11 are parenthetical chapters??

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[augustianian]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Many will then say, if you believe then you will obey...

What is attached to the belief?

Just simple belief or action attached to your belief?

That is the question..

Believing IS obeying. There is a distinction made between the root of justification and the fruit. A person is justified, before God, by and through faith alone.

Nothing is attached to belief because if anything is then it's no longer grace (Romans 4:16).

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[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Adino
You mentioned a thanks for 1Peter 3:21. Am I to understand you now realize sin remission must come before baptism? If baptism is "the response of a good conscience toward God" it follows that the "good conscience" must first exist in order to engender the response of baptism. The only way a person can have a good conscience toward God is to realize his sins no longer stand between him and God, so sin remission must take place prior to baptism.

No, Adino, I haven't realized that sin remission must come before baptism. Remission comes with repentance and water baptism by faith.

Yes, I would agree that a good conscience must exist in order to engender the response of baptism. Does a good conscience mean a clean conscience? or a blood washed conscience? Is it a conscience free from guilt or free from sin stain...the body of sin? These are questions I'm still trying to sort out.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Adino

Mizpeh, here are a few more thoughts which might help you out in your study.

John said of Christ, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

All our sins were reckoned to Christ on Calvary.

Since the sins reckoned to Christ did not keep him in the grave, then they must have been removed.

Take notice and understand: The resurrection was a declaration that all sin reckoned to Christ had been forgiven, else he would not have been raised because the wage of sin is death. Our sin, reckoned to Christ, had to be forgiven in order for him to be raised. If the sins of the world were not taken away (removed/remitted/forgiven) at the Cross, then Christ would not have been raised.

The Good News is that our sin has been forgiven. The Gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christ's resurrection declares our freedom from sin and that we too will be resurrected unto eternal life.

The heart is purified by faith. The heart of a person becomes purified when he recognizes he has been made free from sin and reconciled to God by Christ's death nearly 2000 years ago at Calvary. The heart is purified upon acceptance of this historical fact; when it receives the reality of the forgiveness which took place on the Cross.

The conscience is made good toward God upon acceptance of the Good News that our sin, which was reckoned to Christ, has been remitted through Christ's death on the Cross. The person who has come to this realization and thus rests in the finished work of the Cross can draw near unto God "with a true heart in full assurance of faith" having his heart "sprinkled (cleansed) from an evil conscience."

Water baptism is the response of the man who possesses this "good conscience toward God." It is the response of the man whose heart has been purified by faith in the reality of a sin remission which took place on the Cross. Sin remission does not take place in the waters of baptism. Sin remission took place on the Cross.

Thanks, Adino, I have no comments on this at the present time. Let me think about this.

[Adino]

God bless you, Mizpeh.