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Old 01-18-2008, 10:02 AM
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Brother those are some good scriptures but I don't see where the word says God will take away the Holy Ghost, (or you lose it). I see where you inserted it but wouldn't it be easier if it was bible and not personal commentary and interpretation?

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Old 01-18-2008, 10:26 AM
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While I don't believe God takes back His gifts, I do believe that we are able to give it back to Him.
I agree...

It is possible, through my own self-will and disobedience to forfeit the Gift that was given.

The promise is never rescinded...the Gift never yanked because I don't measure up.

But my sinful and low-level living cause ME to withdraw from HIM.

The Spirit of Christ and the spirit of man canNOT reside in the same temple...anyone who thinks otherwise is deceived.
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Old 01-18-2008, 10:39 AM
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I agree...

It is possible, through my own self-will and disobedience to forfeit the Gift that was given.

The promise is never rescinded...the Gift never yanked because I don't measure up.

But my sinful and low-level living cause ME to withdraw from HIM.

The Spirit of Christ and the spirit of man canNOT reside in the same temple...anyone who thinks otherwise is deceived.
Having said the above, I do know that Eli's DIL named her child Ichobod because the glory of the Lord had departed...

It is a fact that God's Spirit cannot remain in an unclean vessel. If sin is there, Jesus is not.

Whether He leaves or we walk away, the result is the same.
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Old 01-18-2008, 10:49 AM
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Having said the above, I do know that Eli's DIL named her child Ichobod because the glory of the Lord had departed...

It is a fact that God's Spirit cannot remain in an unclean vessel. If sin is there, Jesus is not.

Whether He leaves or we walk away, the result is the same.
Dear Barb,

I've heard the bolded above by me, quoted as Scripture many times and also several times on this Forum, but the Bible does not say that.
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:06 AM
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Dear Barb,

I've heard the bolded above by me, quoted as Scripture many times and also several times on this Forum, but the Bible does not say that.
Scripture DOES plainly state that bitter and sweet water cannot come out of the same fountain.

While it may appear that it is so because folks have been discovered in sin who were singing or preaching Word, we must understand that they are operating under head knowledge...not Spirit anointing or blessing.

When ever the anointed WORD is brought forth, there will be results, even though the vessel is shipwrecked.

However, some things just do not have to have Scripture and verse to support them.

It boggles the mind how in the ever loving world one imagine the sweet presence of the Almighty abiding where deception and lasciviousness reign.

If sin and Spirit could reside in the same temple, why did I have to repent and be baptized?!

Makes no sense to me...
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:59 AM
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In the OT, the Holy Ghost was UPON not INSIDE, the prophet, the priest, and the king for special purposes. There were a few others as well, like John Baptist, Elizabeth, Mary mother of Jesus (the HG shall come upon thee) Lk 1:35, Anna and Simeon. Lk 2:25 says "the Holy Ghost was upon him." All hypothetical comparisons of the Holy Ghost in the Old Testament to the New Testament are therefore invalid, because of St John 7:39.

Please forgive me if anything in this post seems to offend or hurt anyone's feeling. That certainly is not my intent. God Bless BL
Compare your statement with...

1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you:


1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Peter said that the Spirit of Christ was in the Prophets of old. In other words, they had the Holy Ghost.

David was counted among the Prophets. In Psa 51 in the prayer of David's confession and repentance, he prayed that the Holy Ghost would not be taken away from him.
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Old 01-20-2008, 09:13 AM
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Having said the above, I do know that Eli's DIL named her child Ichobod because the glory of the Lord had departed...

It is a fact that God's Spirit cannot remain in an unclean vessel. If sin is there, Jesus is not.

Whether He leaves or we walk away, the result is the same.
David had committed two terrible sins' adultery with another man's wife and then had the man killed. He was an adulterer and a murderer too.

How long he tarried as both an adulterer and a murderer, I cannot tell from scripture. But until Nathan appeared before him, bringing attention to his covered sin, the Holy Spirit had not yet departed from him as can be seen in his prayer recorded in Psa 51. Yes, he was unclean. He was unclean BEFORE he commited adultery, looking and lusting coveting his neighbor's wife, and afterwards too.

How long would have the Holy Spirit tarried IN HIM, I cannot tell. But, one of the purposes of the Holy Ghost that abides in us as it did also in the days of old, is, to convict us of sin...not to depart everytime sin is commited. If the Holy Ghost departed everytime that someone sin...I doubt that there would even be a church. Why? By breaking the least of God's commandments, we are taught that we have broken all of them. In other words, we become guilty of the whole.

Therefore, a LIFE of repentance is required.
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:09 AM
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David had committed two terrible sins' adultery with another man's wife and then had the man killed. He was an adulterer and a murderer too.

How long he tarried as both an adulterer and a murderer, I cannot tell from scripture. But until Nathan appeared before him, bringing attention to his covered sin, the Holy Spirit had not yet departed from him as can be seen in his prayer recorded in Psa 51. Yes, he was unclean. He was unclean BEFORE he commited adultery, looking and lusting coveting his neighbor's wife, and afterwards too.

How long would have the Holy Spirit tarried IN HIM, I cannot tell. But, one of the purposes of the Holy Ghost that abides in us as it did also in the days of old, is, to convict us of sin...not to depart everytime sin is commited. If the Holy Ghost departed everytime that someone sin...I doubt that there would even be a church. Why? By breaking the least of God's commandments, we are taught that we have broken all of them. In other words, we become guilty of the whole.

Therefore, a LIFE of repentance is required.
And so the one in whom lasciviousness and deceit abides can contain also the Spirit of Christ?!

Sorry...I don't believe it.

True, the Spirit convicts, and if one will acknowledge the conviction from the Lord and respond, the Spirit has done it's work.

But for the one who makes excuses or exists in denial and continues in sin, can the Spirit continue to abide?!

I do not believe He can...
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:14 AM
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Compare your statement with...

1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you:


1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Peter said that the Spirit of Christ was in the Prophets of old. In other words, they had the Holy Ghost.

David was counted among the Prophets. In Psa 51 in the prayer of David's confession and repentance, he prayed that the Holy Ghost would not be taken away from him.
Could it be that it was David's opinion that the Spirit of the Most High was yet with him and not a fact that it was?!

God's blessing is not a sign of approval, nor is an answered prayer.

One may think the Spirit is with them or even IN them and be dreadfully mistaken.
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:22 AM
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One may think the Spirit is with them or even IN them and be dreadfully mistaken.
Now there's something to think about!
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