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01-20-2008, 10:09 PM
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GO CUBBIES!
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
How about preachers that say the word "........" ten times at a huge conference?
Everybody just grins and laughs it off.
If it were our kids, we would beat their little tushies for using such crude language, especially in church.
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he said he could not think of a better word. 
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01-20-2008, 10:11 PM
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Da Evangelist
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by Neckstadt
Here is what bothers me:
A computer in the pulpit.
15 pages of 8.5x11 notes that they flip through...
Stories they start and do not finish.
Make a point and say we will get to this later.
Jump in the pulpit screaming and clapping and then can't talk once the praise stops.
Google sermons get on my nerves.
Scripture reading by the chapters.
How I preach:
The same preparation that I go with in a board meeting to present a million dollar technology persentation.
Memorize your sermon and leave an opening for the anointing to move.
Understand the theme of your sermon.
When your mind goes blank get back to a question that you are trying to have the folks in pew answer....
We expect our music ministers to sing and know their words and notes.
So why do we put up with lazy ministers who have to bring notebooks and PC's into the pulpit???
That bothers me....
They would not last 2 weeks if they were reviewed by the men and women in my professional business life....
We use power point in our presentations.
They are expected.
We should not expect a computer in the pulpit unless they are using powerpoint and we see the presentation.
I think there needs to be a retreat where some of these men go and understand the way to preach.
They should attend a session every year....
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What is wrong with a preacher using a laptop? I use mine and I will tell you why. I am a full time evangelist and instead of have 4 or 5 brief cases full of notes I have them all stored on my computer. It saves packing room and everything is organized.
When I go to the pulpit I am not trying to make a presentation. There is a difference in preparing to speak at a corporate business meeting and preaching. That being said, I don't trust my memory enough to go into a buisness meeting to make a presentation with out notes of some sort. I would have points I wanted to make in a certain order and I would want them outlined in front of me to make sure that I go in the proper order so I arrive at the desired results. With preaching I am wanting to bring people to a place where they come face to face with God and how God sees them. If that takes an hour of preaching my notes then ok, If that is a hour where I never look at my notes then ok. If it happens 10 minutes after I start preaching and I have pages of notes left then that is ok to. When I start preaching I am looking for the right place to give the altar call and necessarly finish my notes.
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01-20-2008, 10:14 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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Pray for the Preacher/Ministers...
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01-20-2008, 10:34 PM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller
Neck
What is wrong with a preacher using a laptop? I use mine and I will tell you why. I am a full time evangelist and instead of have 4 or 5 brief cases full of notes I have them all stored on my computer. It saves packing room and everything is organized.
When I go to the pulpit I am not trying to make a presentation. There is a difference in preparing to speak at a corporate business meeting and preaching. That being said, I don't trust my memory enough to go into a buisness meeting to make a presentation with out notes of some sort. I would have points I wanted to make in a certain order and I would want them outlined in front of me to make sure that I go in the proper order so I arrive at the desired results. With preaching I am wanting to bring people to a place where they come face to face with God and how God sees them. If that takes an hour of preaching my notes then ok, If that is a hour where I never look at my notes then ok. If it happens 10 minutes after I start preaching and I have pages of notes left then that is ok to. When I start preaching I am looking for the right place to give the altar call and necessarly finish my notes.
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Joseph,
I do not agree. I am both a preacher and a successful sales professional.
The team that wins the deal in most cases without inside cheating.
Is the team most polished.
John Chambers CEO Cisco gave a presentation on who coming into his office and stays beyound 5 minutes.
They better know what they came to say and show that they understand what they came to say.
I have never been asked to leave or told not to come back...
Most folks in the pew turn you off at the click of your mouse pad and the pushing of your notes in the pulpit..
If I told the CEO, CFO, CII, CTO.... Just a minute let me look through my notes.
Or if I even read from a white paper they get turned off...
They want to meet with professionals that believe they belong in the same room with them.
The problem with your concept is you are preaching to very successful and professional people more and more today.
In many cases we are no longer preaching to just the simple minded....
When ever an evengelist has been at any church I attended.
You would be amazed at what is discussed by the saints, staff members, youth etc.
It is not always the content of your sermon.
It is the delivery and the anointing....
You are presenting the gospel....
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01-20-2008, 10:43 PM
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Da Evangelist
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by Neckstadt
Joseph,
Most folks in the pew turn you off at the click of your mouse pad and the pushing of your notes in the pulpit..
When ever an evengelist has been at any church I attended.
You would be amazed at what is discussed by the saints, staff members, youth etc.
It is not always the content of your sermon.
It is the delivery and the anointing....
You are presenting the gospel....
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Delivery and anointing is very important. Without the anointing we can not preach.
As far as people being turned off when I pull out my computer I don't believe that. I just don't think it happens or no one has ever shown it.
Steadfast preaches from a laptop and he preaches in a LOT of places. Maybe he could share his view on if it has ever had negative feedback for him. As for me I found it positive.
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01-20-2008, 10:54 PM
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I think we all have our pet peeves, but just because a preacher exhibits something that annoys us does not mean that man is not anointed or delivering a message from God's Word.
It isn't a sin to be annoying. 
God calls people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different types of personalities, different education levels, and different styles of speaking. I seem to recall a few men in the Bible that God used that really weren't very "qualified." They probably had quite a few annoying attributes. Thankfully, God uses people and anoints them when we don't think He should have, necessarily. I really like Him for that. 
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01-20-2008, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I think we all have our pet peeves, but just because a preacher exhibits something that annoys us does not mean that man is not anointed or delivering a message from God's Word.
It isn't a sin to be annoying.
God calls people from all sorts of backgrounds, all different types of personalities, different education levels, and different styles of speaking. I seem to recall a few men in the Bible that God used that really weren't very "qualified." They probably had quite a few annoying attributes. Thankfully, God uses people and anoints them when we don't think He should have, necessarily. I really like Him for that. |
I agree 100%
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01-20-2008, 11:11 PM
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I am sorry if some feel that I have a bad spirit or that I am preacher bashing because I’m not and I don’t. The Lord knows that none of us are perfect! I am not talking about anyone in particular. I was stating observations, only! All of these observations can be related to “Preachers, Teachers, and Singers”. I have had the privilege of being in churches all over the world, both big and small. I’ve heard some of the best preaching that one could ever hear. This thread came out of a conversation I had recently with a Preachers Wife and we were talking about the lack of training for platform ministry. Many of my friends are Pastors and Preachers, and Singers. All GREAT People! Many I’ve seen from the start of their ministries. All I am trying to say is that everyone can strive to do their best regardless of their education level. But, I am of the opinion that if anyone is going to sing, speak, or preach, then be prepared, don’t talk down to those who will be listening to you, and be confident that what you are preaching, singing, or teaching is of God no matter the response at the time.
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01-20-2008, 11:26 PM
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OK- I am a college grad as well as a Bible College grad...I believe in training, studying, improving, etc...but...
God uses MEN...He uses the genius and the educated as well as the "simple minded" and the uneducated. Remember, he started out with 12 disciples- different men to reach different people...
If a preacher has a "board room type presentation" or a down home holler fest, he is not wrong either way...as long as he is a God called minister presenting the Gospel in love and truth the best he can...
Remember the souls of the simple minded are no less important to God as the professionals' souls. I hope that we never get "too educated" to remember that!
I think it would be arrogant to think that your way is the best way. Messages often show the characteristics of the men who preach them, yet God still uses the preached Word....and the men who preach them! That was the plan!
Using a laptop or notes, pacing the platform, spitting on the poor mic, using a Southern drawl or a Northern inflection....just the imperfect men trying to connect with a hungry soul-----It's all good!!
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01-21-2008, 03:56 AM
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Forever Loved Admin
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by Sunni
OK- I am a college grad as well as a Bible College grad...I believe in training, studying, improving, etc...but...
God uses MEN...He uses the genius and the educated as well as the "simple minded" and the uneducated. Remember, he started out with 12 disciples- different men to reach different people...
If a preacher has a "board room type presentation" or a down home holler fest, he is not wrong either way...as long as he is a God called minister presenting the Gospel in love and truth the best he can...
Remember the souls of the simple minded are no less important to God as the professionals' souls. I hope that we never get "too educated" to remember that!
I think it would be arrogant to think that your way is the best way. Messages often show the characteristics of the men who preach them, yet God still uses the preached Word....and the men who preach them! That was the plan!
Using a laptop or notes, pacing the platform, spitting on the poor mic, using a Southern drawl or a Northern inflection....just the imperfect men trying to connect with a hungry soul-----It's all good!!
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AMEN!!!
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
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