Just wanted to mention that one of my brothers (pastors a UPC in Texas) called me
Friday night and during our conversation he said, "I'm in Tulsa". He went alone and I
had no idea he was going. If you want to find out something, check it out yourself!
If an adult is not mature enough to discern or try the spirits, to see if they be of God,
you probably should stay home and keep silent. I didn't go, but I am glad my brother
went because I believe him as I know him to be truthful. I know my brother. If you
went and didn't think God was there, could it be that your spirit was tuned in to
another source!
My brother gave a good report and I received it as such. Wonderful spirit and no
bashing. That's all I care to know or believe at this time. TIME will tell the rest of
the story. And as our late father said many years ago....
"Time changes everything except those things which are eternal. They change
not".
Blessings,
Falla39
Best post on this subject IMO.
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I haven't read this whole thread, but the "preacher" who disrupted and caused the scene has a horrible spirit!
It's one thing to disagree, but to publicly be disobedient to the extent of being disruptive is not Christ-like.
I may have an opinion that God is not pleased with the Tulsa meeting, but it would be arrogant of me to say that God was not there! After all, God is everywhere!
I'm Johnny Come Lately as well... I haven't read through the entire thread yet.
But when I told my husband about this particular thread he said that it kind of makes sense. You don't usually videotape a business meeting.. so if they were meeting to discuss the preferred alternative... or a new organization etc.. that wouldn't be for the general public.
Falla's comments were wonderful.
I often feel like giving my opinion and often do... but when you read comments from elders in the Lord you feel humbled.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
I haven't read this whole thread, but the "preacher" who disrupted and caused the scene has a horrible spirit!
It's one thing to disagree, but to publicly be disobedient to the extent of being disruptive is not Christ-like.
I may have an opinion that God is not pleased with the Tulsa meeting, but it would be arrogant of me to say that God was not there! After all, God is everywhere!
Good post PM...
God is omnipresent. Indeed he is everywhere, in that sense.
Just wanted to mention that one of my brothers (pastors a UPC in Texas) called me
Friday night and during our conversation he said, "I'm in Tulsa". He went alone and I
had no idea he was going. If you want to find out something, check it out yourself!
If an adult is not mature enough to discern or try the spirits, to see if they be of God,
you probably should stay home and keep silent. I didn't go, but I am glad my brother
went because I believe him as I know him to be truthful. I know my brother. If you
went and didn't think God was there, could it be that your spirit was tuned in to
another source!
My brother gave a good report and I received it as such. Wonderful spirit and no
bashing. That's all I care to know or believe at this time. TIME will tell the rest of
the story. And as our late father said many years ago....
"Time changes everything except those things which are eternal. They change
not".
Blessings,
Falla39
Thank You for that post, I was there and can honestly say that what your brother said is true, It was a wonderful meeting, no bashing, only worship with a spirit of humbleness. I believe that these men are following their convictions and hopefully will lead our younger ministers who are true to their calling into the right paths.
The why's and wherefore's are inconsequential, my friend. The reason for leaving was the same - new policy violated existing convictions.
The resistance that many of the 1992 "defectors" felt came way before they changed their official stance.
It's the same old song and dance, in my book. A preacher can get up at a General conference, or camp meeting, or any other type of meeting, and preach his personal convictions as far to the right as he cares to, and people will still accept him in the fellowship. However, if a man dares preach a bit to the left, he's blackballed.
I'm not bitter about it, it's just the way it is.
And, I think we're seeing it here as well.
Folks leave because the UPC has gone to the "left" in their opinion, and they are considered martyrs for the faith.
Folks leave because the UPC has gone a bit too far "right" and they are ostracized and considered backsliders.
Just my humble opinion........
Thanks for this post. Too bad I can't make it official.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I want to address this, because the accusation of these men being control hungry keeps coming up.
From my understanding of reading on this, the formation of this org is set up as such that there are "term limits" on the leadership. Of the Executive Committee, every year, one of the originals will be removed by lot every year, and cannot hold a position for at least one year. This assures that there will be no "Original 6" keeping control in the org.
So tell me, If this is all about control and position, why would the Original 6 create bylaws that will in effect take them out of the leadership position after so long?
I would have to wonder how they expect to keep their org from going the way they believe the UPC did if they won't be in control for more than a year?
It just doesn't make sense.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
*I can confidently state without fear or equivocation, that within the next 10 years the UPC will either grow, shrink, or stay the same.
*It will either become more liberal, more conservative, or will stay the same.
*There will be some who advertise on television, and some who won't.
*There will be some who have television, and some who won't, and some will wear a bag over their head when they walk past the televisions in Best Buy on their way to get a faster internet card.
*There will be some women who cut their hair, some who won't, and some who won't even wash their hair for fear of washing the glory out.
*There will be some men who wear facial hair, and some who won't, and some who take an electric razor to work to shave every 5 minutes, just to be safe, making sure that the evil facial hair doesn't even get a small foothold.
*There will be some churches that grow, some that shrink, and some that stay the same. Some will stay in the organization, some will leave, and others will feel strongly both ways.
*There will most definitely be a new General Superintendent, I think, maybe, possibly, but maybe not.
*There will be liberals and conservatives and moderates and extremists, and sometimes they may not be mutually exclusive.
Now, hopefully, you'll understand now why they call me the guru.
I appreciate yoiu stepping out on a limb and making these bold predictions!
I haven't read this whole thread, but the "preacher" who disrupted and caused the scene has a horrible spirit!
It's one thing to disagree, but to publicly be disobedient to the extent of being disruptive is not Christ-like.
I may have an opinion that God is not pleased with the Tulsa meeting, but it would be arrogant of me to say that God was not there! After all, God is everywhere!
My thoughts exactly.
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