Later..............

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I not int the pit of depressions THANK YOU.

I am living under the shadow of the almighty and drawing form the wells of salvation with joy.

Sure you are....of course everyone else here would say that too.....but spell it more correctly of course

[MusicMaster]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I not int the pit of depressions THANK YOU.

I am living under the shadow of the almighty and drawing form the wells of salvation with joy.

I certainly couldn't have guessed that from reading your comments in this particular thread. How about getting out there and starting some positive upbeat threads about how great God is, and how wonderful it is to be living for him instead of complaining about the forum going liberal?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MusicMaster

I certainly couldn't have guessed that from reading your comments in this particular thread. How about getting out there and starting some positive upbeat threads about how great God is, and how wonderful it is to be living for him instead of complaining about the forum going liberal?

Exactly but I don't think he gets it

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by MusicMaster

I certainly couldn't have guessed that from reading your comments in this particular thread. How about getting out there and starting some positive upbeat threads about how great God is, and how wonderful it is to be living for him instead of complaining about the forum going liberal?

Not complaining, just stating fact.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

My take, just as an observer ,not as an Admin. Both sides have claimed the board was this or that...liberals have claimed the board was slanted towards cons and cons say it was slanted towards libs...

The Libs were happy to remain mostly....other than being banned and the Cons just leave of their own volition. If it is true what StMatt said that what makes the direction here go towards liberal are the members then the truth is what made this board liberal (speaking rhetorically because it is NOT liberal) was the CONS all jumping ship.

Reminds me of what happens with the UPC. Sure it was ok to bash and trash Paula White and others, but if you dare touch one of theirs it's preacher bashing. Sadly this is a symptom...in my opinion, of Ultra Conservativism...not of being conservative. Being an Ultra Con is not really about standards or salvational doctrines, but about control. Ultra Liberalism is that way too.

Liberals are liberal in their doctrine but can tolerate others and embrace them.

Moderates are wishy washy in their doctrinal views and like a labrador retriever just want to please everyone doctrinally.

Cons are conservative in their views but don't cast away fellowship and friendships over doctrines

Since you are going to continue to harp on this, the reason many Cons either withdrew completely, or cut down to lurking and posting every once in a while is that they grew tired of the disrespect they continually saw from a few specific posters for anything that resembles "Apostolic". This has been taking place for quite a while, and is NOT something that just happened over night. It was one reason we added the "Statement of Faith" that MOW got all upset over, turning in his keys. This worked and a few started coming around some and posting, but it was not enough, as we had those specific few on a crusade to combat any traditional views of Apostolic, whether they had anything to say or not. The lack of respect, the cheap shots, and one poster (who is back now) who does not even believe repentance is necessary to be saved, was the cause of many conservative apostolics to leave.


Of course you would not see this, because it is not from your point of view. I believe I am as balanced as anyone here, and if I am stepping down and riding into the sunset, then it is a good bet that there is something happening.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Since you are going to continue to harp on this, the reason many Cons either withdrew completely, or cut down to lurking and posting every once in a while is that they grew tired of the disrespect they continually saw from a few specific posters for anything that resembles "Apostolic". This has been taking place for quite a while, and is NOT something that just happened over night. It was one reason we added the "Statement of Faith" that MOW got all upset over, turning in his keys. This worked and a few started coming around some and posting, but it was not enough, as we had those specific few on a crusade to combat any traditional views of Apostolic, whether they had anything to say or not. The lack of respect, the cheap shots, and one poster (who is back now) who does not even believe repentance is necessary to be saved, was the cause of many conservative apostolics to leave.

Of course you would not see this, because it is not from your point of view. I believe I am as balanced as anyone here, and if I am stepping down and riding into the sunset, then it is a good bet that there is something happening.

Matt,

You have stated this very well.

In spite of all the protests to the contrary, it doesn't take a blind man to see that things are shifting.

The disrespect, mockery, sarcasm, and cheap shots toward anything Apostolic that has flourished here is the thing that has made some not want their name associated with this place. The bottom line is, it has been tolerated way too much for some of us.

Not the fact that views are questioned or challenged, and certainly not because all the liberals are so brilliant that no conservative can match their verbiage...what a laugh.

[Brother Price]

Excuse me, but I am getting a little bit insulted here. What gives conservatives the right to judge what is Apostolic and what is not? I thought Apostolic meant to align one's self with the teachings of Christ and His Apostles, not aligning one's self with tradition, religion, and man-made doctrines which cannot be defended? Who gave conservative the right to define what is Apostolic?

I am getting a bit insulted. However, unlike others, when I get insulted, I shall not leave.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The lack of respect, the cheap shots, and one poster (who is back now) who does not even believe repentance is necessary to be saved, was the cause of many conservative apostolics to leave.

Of course you would not see this, because it is not from your point of view. I believe I am as balanced as anyone here, and if I am stepping down and riding into the sunset, then it is a good bet that there is something happening.

So you are the litmus test of something happening among the balanced? Albeit, of the three that left you are most balanced. But .... When will we get to the heart of this matter?

The statement of faith was a band-aid on a compound fracture.

MOW's root for leaving was not over a statement of faith ... that's a mis-characterization. Have we forgotten the events of this summer?

Peer pressure, battle of dueling agendas, economics and the other reasons ... are among the top factors for this.

.... realize your friends are intolerant .... and when you do it will be an eye-opener.

I know damage control is necessary to some ... but c'mon when lack of respect and tearing down Apostolic beliefs are the crutch for the more significant reasons for the sum total of this .... it gets old.

Who is this poster who doesn't believe repentance is necessary to saved???? Matt, Let's stop looking for scapegoats. Try again.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Parkbench

Now, this place is starting to feel like the old FCF that I remember. I feel a 'wild wild west" spirit in the house and it's a good feeling. JY lives on.

Jim Yohe wouldn't allow too much liberty in debating the 3 step new birth message.

It was stated earlier this forum was created not as an extension of FCF.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Excuse me, but I am getting a little bit insulted here. What gives conservatives the right to judge what is Apostolic and what is not? I thought Apostolic meant to align one's self with the teachings of Christ and His Apostles, not aligning one's self with tradition, religion, and man-made doctrines which cannot be defended? Who gave conservative the right to define what is Apostolic?

I am getting a bit insulted. However, unlike others, when I get insulted, I shall not leave.

You are getting a bit insulted, but shall not leave?

This reasoning does not align itself with cognitive reasoning.

Most individuals, when being insulted in a particular setting, shall leave.

But obviously, the influences you are currently aligned with have even impacted the alignment of your vocabulary.

I shall now conclude that at least your current alignment aligns itself more courteously than other alignments you have aligned yourself with.