Apostolic Revival

[scotty]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

So true.
And there are some on this forum who seem to take every opportunity they can to "get their digs in" at the UPC, even when its not even called for.

I find it kinda pathetic, actually.

thank you,

Even churches within the UPC are not the same. I am seeing alot of churches in our district making a swing both back to conservative views and yet more liberal in fellowship and bringing in the lost.

Its our job to get them in the church, how they live or what "standards" they live by is between them and God. Its not our job to tell them what they should or shouldn't be doing. The Holy Ghost will do that. In the meantime they are brothers and sisters in the Lord.

So will someone again please tell me what is wrong with UPC?

[OneAccord]

A portion of the post on "The Unity of the Faith" - in the Deep Waters Section .

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

We’ve tried everything else. Resolutions, affirmations, by-laws, creeds, organizations. But, honestly, what of those things has brought even a measure of unity? In 1945, a brother, writing by inspiration coined a phrase that brought together two relatively small groups into one world wide organization. Now those immortal words are all but lost to history. ‘We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the Body‘. Those words, inspired from the very pages of the Bible, should be written on the heart of everyone who is filled with God’s Spirit. L.R Oorten said, “There is no greater need among Spirit-filled children of God today than the unity of the Spirit”. These are not the words of one organization or group. These words were the words of men whose very hearts were set ablaze by the fires of the baptism of the Holy Ghost, who yearned for the day when they could stand shoulder to shoulder in fellowship and unity. The word UNITY stands out boldly in both statements, for if UNITY could bring two doctrinally diverse groups together into spiritual harmony, can not the spirit behind those words bring us all together as ONE IN CHRIST?

To do so, however requires a great number of things, one might think. Not so. It requires but one. 2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Our spiritual landscape will be healed of its fractures, if we’ll but answer the call to pray and humble ourselves before God. The dry and barren land of our churches would be restored to the former glory if we’d but turn from our divisions and doctrinal quarreling and move with God’s Spirit to the UNITY that we can only find in Him. Our strife, our animosity would be swept away by a fresh, invigorating out-pouring of the Holy Ghost.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by scotty

thank you,

Even churches within the UPC are not the same. I am seeing alot of churches in our district making a swing both back to conservative views and yet more liberal in fellowship and bringing in the lost.

Its our job to get them in the church, how they live or what "standards" they live by is between them and God. Its not our job to tell them what they should or shouldn't be doing. The Holy Ghost will do that. In the meantime they are brothers and sisters in the Lord.

So will someone again please tell me what is wrong with UPC?

This is good. Many churches aren't afraid to get outside their walls and this is great. Great things are happening in the UPC. Personally, I feel the UPC will make a turn toward the left in the next decade or so in order to reach the lost.

[A_PoMo]

I remember Jim Larson in Indy tried to organize a city-wide evangelistic crusade with other "apostolic" pastors in the area. He wanted to bring a big gun preacher, rent out the big convention center downtown, have all the churches contribute and all the churches would divide the spoils equally depending on the geographical location of where the new people lived. It never flew. None of the other pastors would cooperate.

I remember asking KHaney about why this sort of thing wouldn't work. He chuckled and said it'd never work because most pastors are not evangelistic minded enough to want to do it.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I remember Jim Larson in Indy tried to organize a city-wide evangelistic crusade with other "apostolic" pastors in the area. He wanted to bring a big gun preacher, rent out the big convention center downtown, have all the churches contribute and all the churches would divide the spoils equally depending on the geographical location of where the new people lived. It never flew. None of the other pastors would cooperate.

I remember asking KHaney about why this sort of thing wouldn't work. He chuckled and said it'd never work because most pastors are not evangelistic minded enough to want to do it.

Well, someone has to get the credit and cooperation usually means less credit for those involved.

[A_PoMo]

Somebody has to be the leader and cast the vision and marshall the resources. How can that be avoided?

In JL's case, as I remember it, he was willing to stand in the background and allow all the pastors to equally participate in the services and present the effort as a group effort and not put himself or his church up front. I always thought that was pretty generous, especially considering it was JL.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I remember Jim Larson in Indy tried to organize a city-wide evangelistic crusade with other "apostolic" pastors in the area. He wanted to bring a big gun preacher, rent out the big convention center downtown, have all the churches contribute and all the churches would divide the spoils equally depending on the geographical location of where the new people lived. It never flew. None of the other pastors would cooperate.

I remember asking KHaney about why this sort of thing wouldn't work. He chuckled and said it'd never work because most pastors are not evangelistic minded enough to want to do it.

I remember a meeting at the Convention Center in downtown Cincinnati back in 1969 or so when Apostolics from several organizations met. I thought it was neat but I've always been an "ecumaniac." I don't remember any follow up meetings.

I've been to some fellowship meetings in Cincinnati that turned into "battleship" meetings with people storming off the platform and out the door in a huff because there was a dispute about "women preachers" or how someone had prayed and ministered to the sick by calling them out and diagnosing their problems. These were attended by preachers from a couple of small organizations and independents (but not UPC.)

[Ron]

Originally Posted by scotty

thank you,

Even churches within the UPC are not the same. I am seeing alot of churches in our district making a swing both back to conservative views and yet more liberal in fellowship and bringing in the lost.

Its our job to get them in the church, how they live or what "standards" they live by is between them and God. Its not our job to tell them what they should or shouldn't be doing. The Holy Ghost will do that. In the meantime they are brothers and sisters in the Lord.

So will someone again please tell me what is wrong with UPC?

It like any Organization, no more, no less.

Trouble is, I think some have bitterness & won't move on.

JMHO Though.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

So true.
And there are some on this forum who seem to take every opportunity they can to "get their digs in" at the UPC, even when its not even called for.

I find it kinda pathetic, actually.

who is bashing upc? im upc, but all i'm saying is we have the influence and numbers to do something along the lines of major apostolic unity, and we are dropping the ball. Our leaders will only accept unity under the auspecies of another organiation becoming upc, not just having common fellowship.

i want to see upc thrive, but we need to have more effort for unity.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Jason-

In the Deep Waters section, you'll find a thread about The Unity of the Faith. I posted a 4 part series about UNity- Its pretty long, but it details my views about the subject.

I believe a revival of restoration (i'll call it) is coming to God's people. A Revival of Unity that will transcend organizations. I don't know how, and don't know when, but its imperative for our survival as a people of faith.

Unity is a subject that doesn't get much attention.

cool , i'll check it out soon