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Old 03-14-2007, 02:49 PM
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If that is the teaching of your church and pastor and you refuse to obey, you don't feel you are in rebellion ?

don't you know that is the mainstream teaching in the UPC ???
why be apart of a church that basically believes you are lost ?

why do you believe it's okay to cut your hair ?? what about I cor 11 ?
I cut my hair, I attend a UPC church and I don't feel that I'm in rebellion.

My pastor has stated many times that our relationship with God is what is important and he's not going to be checking up on us. His job is to preach the Word, not police us. If I keep my heart right with God, I am in not in rebellion.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:10 PM
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Hair: the last time a pair of scissors touched my hair was when I was about 8 and had to cut out a wad of chewing gum! My long, uncut hair is my glory. Why would I want to cut my glory off?

Makeup - non colored lip gloss, chapstick. .I don't feel there is anything wrong with some powder for blemishes, although I don't use it too often.

Attire: nylons - rarely. I hate them. When I do wear them, they are either ivory, white or jet black. Sleeves range from midway between shoulder and elbow, to the wrist. If I raise my hand and you can see my armpit or more, then they are too short and/or baggy. Skirts - knee length to ankles (I have all lengths in between). Slits are okay as long as they don't go above the knee. No pants at all. . .ok, I do wear sweats when I am lounging around the house or going to bed!

Jewelry - wedding ring. I have a few watches but always forget to put them on so they collect dust in a box on my dresser.

I have kept the same standards that I was taught to know and love. Some things may not be salvational, and I know that, but why take the chance? And if my Pastor asks it of me or requires it and I refuse to comply, well then I think that's called rebellion and that definately is salvational. I have no problem following these standards. . . .
There are people who make this statement but I wonder how far they would go in regard to blind obedience.

I know churches who don't allow any combination of the following:

open toed shoes, watches, any jewelry at all, no certain colors for attire, only unseen items in the hair, no perfume, no shaving of any hair on the women, etc.


I wonder how far one would go and continue to say that refusing to comply would mean they are in rebellion.

If your pastor suddenly preached that you should stop shaving your pits and legs, would you? Without question?
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:56 PM
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Raven..No offense but your double talking here....If you wear sweats you DO wear pants.
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:01 PM
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Raven..No offense but your double talking here....If you wear sweats you DO wear pants.
Maybe she wears a sweat skirt.
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:14 PM
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Maybe she wears a sweat skirt.
Hey, Your right , Could be , Hmmm , she did just say sweats didnt she?
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Old 03-14-2007, 05:16 PM
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Hey..Your right. Could be, Hmmm, she did just say sweats didnt she?

She COULD be talking about SWEAT BANDS...you know, those things that go on your wrists and your forehead?
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Old 03-14-2007, 08:10 PM
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Okay, I'll answer this. Why not?
I keep the same standards that I kept when I was first saved. My mom allowed us to wear shorts, pants, she cut our hair, we went swimming in public venues, etc. I didn't start practicing "standards" until I was in my teens.

I kept standards for many years. After we left the UPC about 10 years ago, I gradually went back to exercising some of the the same liberties I had when I was young. Now I've modified some things.

Even though I have liberty, my outward standard is dictated very much by what I consider the Word of God to teach in respect to principle and specifics regarding our outward appearance ...... also according to my own conscience i.e. what I personally feel comfortable about and ....... according to conviction i.e. feeling after what the Holy Ghost is and isn't pleased with in regard to my own personal life.



(to be continued )
Thad, before I give my take on this, let me state that I grew up in a bonified UPC church and you would recognize the pastors' name.Now to reply...

Hair: as children our hair was trimmed and we had bangs ; I think many church ladies cut their hair, but there may have been those who did not, this was in the 50's and I was not aware of the "older" folks so much. At ABI I let my hair grow without trimming. While my husband had UPCI lic I did not trim. Since he is not licensed now, I feel the liberty to once again cut as necessary.(really fine, thin hair....when long it's "really" thin)

Clothing: remember this was the 50's and girls had to wear dresses to school; when we came home, we put on our "play clothes" which was slacks, and in warm weather shorts. Since this was the north, mixed bathing not really an issue....too cold to swim!
(Church camp had a lake....girls went swimming and the guys were at the ballfield__down the road and around a bend____when the girls were done the boys were allowed to swim, beautiful clear lake, sandy shore.....a vacation paradise...(WI no less)
Today I wear slacks for casual wear and work, but I wear dresses to church.
Many of my skirts have a side or back slit. It allows one to walk.....I've seen the sewed up slit and the inability to take a proper step.

Jewelry: once again, as children had a necklace or two, as did other little girls in church; adult ladies had wedding rings, watches and wore pins but not other jewelry. I wear wedding ring as well as a fashion ring on right hand. I own 20 watches, all styles, it's just FUN! Other jewelry on occassion. Never crossed over the line to pierced ears, lol.

Makeup....too much work; use the new mineral powders on the market. It covers the flaws and really looks natural.


There is a picture of my mother holding me as a baby (pre 1950) and she has a necklace on....she did not wear when we were older; as I understand it, when she first moved "north" and attended our church, she was surprised by the necklaces in use since in IL they didn't wear them;(and since there weren't always oneness churches to attend, she often went to an AOG church; in the 30's and 40's the AOG was strict....)

I'm not doing much today that is different from when I was 8 yrs old....and like I said, the church was UPC, UPC pastor, UPC district etc....
I might add, that church, pastor and district are more legalistic today.
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I hope the Sisters are adorning themselves with a meek and quiet spirit.
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I hope the Sisters are adorning themselves with a meek and quiet spirit.
I would think minks would be costly array!
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I would think minks would be costly array!
Well I know none of yall wear Prada cause The Devil wears Prada.
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