FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright - Page 57

ReformedDave · #**561** 03-25-2008, 08:30 AM

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You aren't even Apostolic. You can "know" what some have said about us...but one can't know the depth of what it truly means to be Apostolic unless they are one.

.your Reformed Presbyterianism and Apostolic Pentecostalism. It's like Islam colliding with Christianity.

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Dave,

Feel fortunate, he only compared Presbyterians to Muslims.

Could have been worse bro, he could have called you papists.

Correct. It doesn't matter. He refuses to deal with arguments and can't follow logical thought without becoming pejorative. He's fairly well read in what he believes but knows little about the opposition's source material.

ChristopherHall · #**562** 03-25-2008, 08:34 AM

ReformedDave,

Oh, and I have a hard bound book by Rushdoony titled, Institutes of Biblical Law. I did find this to be very interesting…but found it to be a very extreme interpretation.

What are your thoughts on Rushdoony?

Rico · #**563** 03-25-2008, 09:00 AM

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Bro. Bernard is a Holy Ghost filled man of God. Bro. Bernard is also recognized as the leading apologist of the United Pentecostal Church Internationa, the largest oneness body on the planet. The ministerial reading list extensively references his works.

You aren't even Apostolic. You can "know" what some have said about us...but one can't know the depth of what it truly means to be Apostolic unless they are one.

Fundamentally what we have here is a collision between two worldviews...your Reformed Presbyterianism and Apostolic Pentecostalism. It's like Islam colliding with Christianity. The two are not compatible.

I'd also like to call into remembrance history....Christian history is ripe with examples of how Trinitarian dominionists repeatedly seized or attempted to seize power for the sole purpose of propagating the kingdom of their three headed god...even if it had to be done by firelight produced by the burning bodies of one God Apostolics.

I reject your dominionism as an outright threat to the existance of the Church of the Living God. You come against this with Reformed Tradition...but I come against that tradition in the name of the LORD. And his name is....

JESUS

Brother, I don't think you quite know who you are talking to. If what you are saying is based on one of your gut feelings then I have to tell you your gut is way off on this one. LOL!

DividedThigh · #**564** 03-25-2008, 09:02 AM

theres an old lwt song the wind is blowing again, so appropriate at this stage, now some body is proposing turning this into another pacifist versus sefl defense debate, enough, lol,dt

ReformedDave · #**565** 03-25-2008, 09:02 AM

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ReformedDave,

Oh, and I have a hard bound book by Rushdoony titled, Institutes of Biblical Law. I did find this to be very interesting…but found it to be a very extreme interpretation.

What are your thoughts on Rushdoony?

Somethings I agree with somethings and many things I don't, but his writings are more of application and not of exposition. I do agree with his assessment of culture and state in the realm of education.

I DO agree with the 'Molech' worshiping Greg Bahnsen. He provides sound exposition and application of the Biblical position. Along with that he was the finest apologist/debater of our time.

Rico · #**566** 03-25-2008, 09:05 AM

RD, you and I both know you can probably end all this foolishness in one or two posts. LOL! What are ya waitin for?

ChristopherHall · #**567** 03-25-2008, 09:06 AM

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Somethings I agree with somethings and many things I don't, but his writings are more of application and not of exposition. I do agree with his assessment of culture and state in the realm of education.

In a presentation sponsored by the Chalcedon (a leading Reformed Theonomist think tank), Rushdoony advocated denying tax exempt status to groups recognized as cults such as the JW’s on the grounds that they do not hold to any traditional Christian creed.

Would not Rushdoony’s position advocate the same for Oneness Pentecostal churches?

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I DO agree with the 'Molech' worshiping Greg Bahnsen. He provides sound exposition and application of the Biblical position. Along with that he was the finest apologist/debater of our time.

Was he baptized in the name of Jesus and filled with the Holy Ghost?

Again it comes down to a non-Apostolic Reformed Trinitarian worldview vs. classical Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal worldview.

Bahnsen was indeed led by great intellect.
But Bro. Bernard is led of the Holy Ghost.

I'll go with Bro. Bernard. God has chosen the foolish things to confound the wise.

ChristopherHall · #**568** 03-25-2008, 09:09 AM

And I am set for the defense of the Gospel.

ChristopherHall · #**569** 03-25-2008, 09:13 AM

My Molech comment was drawn from the writings of Edith Blumhofer regarding early Pentecostal leaders, namely Samuel-Clibborn Booth who equated pro-war patriotism to Molechism in that churches were sending their children to die defending godless earthly nations as opposed to protecting their children from such wars and preparing them to preach the gospel.

I love you Reformed, but as you can see this issue is highly complicated and depending upon which school of theology you espouse, it will cause you to lean to one camp or the other. In the voice of Rev. Wright I heard ecos of Samuel-Clibborn Booth's denunciation of America's warfare as Molechism. While it does cause me pause that Wright would bring race into the picture. Theologically he's views aren't far from that held by those who laid the foundation of Pentecost.

So I pray you can see where I'm coming from.

chosenbyone · #**570** 03-25-2008, 09:17 AM

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I was very Pro-Obama.

But some things have caused me pause. I know for sure that I'm not voting Republican. If a decent third party candidate arises in the Constitution Party (perhaps Ron Paul) I may vote for him. My issue is that the Republicans need to be given time out to think about the direction they're taking. Voting for them is like a pat on the back for a job terribly done. My lesser issues are Health Care, jobs, and liveable wages, and flex time.

CH,

I am with ya, brother.

Currently, we have fibbing Hillary, unpatriotic Obama and "senior moments" McCain. Surely, there was ONE person waiting in the wings that would be the President we all could rally behind.