Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
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Originally Posted by steve p
Wow! I've never studied WHICH school of thought is doctrinally correct. I haven't seen the need yet.
What I DO sense in my spirit, is that the enemy loves for us to debate, argue, get mad, and waste time on such arguments, rather than spending time EDIFYING the brethren. If I were lost and read this thread,,,I wonder what my reaction would really be toward Christianity. I'm not trying to cause trouble or sway anyone from their beliefs. Oh well.....
You know Steve p, this thread seems to be one of the really good ones where those that do, those that dont, and those that might have been able to really say some great things....
not all threads have provided as much good as this one!
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Some "Oneness" explanations are as problematic as Trinitarianism.
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Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
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Originally Posted by Ferd
You know Steve p, this thread seems to be one of the really good ones where those that do, those that dont, and those that might have been able to really say some great things....
not all threads have provided as much good as this one!
I promise to keep an open mind! Maybe I spoke too soon. I guess "biblical debate" is just not my thing. NOT being pentecostal....I would like to know the difference between oneness and trinitarianism...fair enough? My history includes spending 4 years in a Southern Baptist Bible College where debate was secondary to nothing!!! Hence, my attitude toward it. Maybe I need to spend time elsewhere....
Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
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Originally Posted by Alter Ego
No poll.
Just tell us which view you believe is accurate.
Don't tell us both, cause that's just political correctness and nobody buys that crud.
Oneness
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Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
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Originally Posted by Alter Ego
Trinitarianism is pagan, ploytheistic and wrong.
LOL, Do you have any Biblical references to prove this?
For instance, How do you account for all the personal distinctions found in the NT? The Son praying to the Father? The Father sending the Son. The Son speaks of another Comforter?
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Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
The Oneness model to understanding our God is easiest for me to comprehend for many reasons ... most probably because I grew up in it...
I think this issue is mostly about focus, my friends.
Oneness believers focus heavily on the deity of Jesus Christ while still acknowledging the distinctions in how God has chosen to reveal himself to humanity ....
Trinitarians focus a lot of their energies on celebrating the distinctions of God while still acknowledging the deity of Jesus Christ ....
Two sides of a coin that need examination.
I truly believe:
... the existence of this often circular debate revolves around:
1. semantics over words such as persons, distinctions, modes, etc.
2. pride in presenting facts, figures,scripture, grammar, logic, scholarship and Church history while debunking the other side's facts, figures, logic, interpretation of scripture, grammar, scholarship and Church history. {I want to be right and prove you wrong while never admitting when I am wrong}
3. prejudices and hatreds based on a century old feud
eventually leading to more circular debates on:
4. the proper baptismal formula and questioning the other's salvation
and most often culminates in:
5. name calling, sensitivities hurt, and insults
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In the end, this is what matters ... both sides whole heartedly agree and believe in:
1. One God
2.The Mighty God in Christ
3. Jesus is fully man and fully God
4. Jesus is the Son of God
5. Jesus died for our sins and was raised to give us new life.
6. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
I'd like to see us discuss this issue responsibly, in a Christ-like manner, and w/o the hurt feelings and defensive postures.
Once again, I'll reiterate ... the minute I can fully explain and define an infinite and Almighty God ... He ceases to be God ....
and I've become an idolater.
Lastly, I am yet to meet a Trinitarian that believes in 3 Gods ... most modern trinitarians use a lot of Oneness language, also.
I know to some their God box means everything ... but when will we let God be God?
If we have His Spirit we are all His.
I'm for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ ... him crucified and resurrected ... not the Gospel of Full Understanding.
So you guys continue to wrap your minds around the I am .... have fun.
I thought you wanted to know Christ and the fellowship of His sufferings....
Why did God single out the children of Israel? To be a people for His name. To present His truth of who He is to the world.
Noone has full understanding but we can know what God has given us in His word. You're straddling the fence, Dan.
Dan, what is God's name?
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Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
another comforter....or a different comforter does not necessarily imply another person. Jesus, standing there as a man says "You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you."
Who did they know? Who was with them? He was. He then says
Joh 14:18 "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Orphanos...orphans...is also translated "fatherless" in other places in some translations.
HOW did Jesus come to them? In Spirit.
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Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
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Originally Posted by Alter Ego
No poll.
Just tell us which view you believe is accurate.
Don't tell us both, cause that's just political correctness and nobody buys that crud.
Oneness, of course! (Hi, Mizpeh)
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Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
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Originally Posted by steve p
I promise to keep an open mind! Maybe I spoke too soon. I guess "biblical debate" is just not my thing. NOT being pentecostal....I would like to know the difference between oneness and trinitarianism...fair enough? My history includes spending 4 years in a Southern Baptist Bible College where debate was secondary to nothing!!! Hence, my attitude toward it. Maybe I need to spend time elsewhere....
Blessings!
Is it possible to discuss the Bible and its doctrines in an irenic (my new favorite word)fashion without debate?
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Re: Which is More Biblical: Oneness or Triniariani
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
another comforter....or a different comforter does not necessarily imply another person. Jesus, standing there as a man says "You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you."
Who did they know? Who was with them? He was. He then says
Joh 14:18 "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Orphanos...orphans...is also translated "fatherless" in other places in some translations.
HOW did Jesus come to them? In Spirit.
I said I was Oneness, Prax. I thought AE's accusations against the doctrine of the Trinity were unsupported but funny.
The Holy Spirit is a different Comforter that the Lord Jesus Christ. As a man, Jesus Christ, can only be in one place at one time. The Holy Spirit can be everywhere at all times. The Holy Spirit in us is the same as Christ's Spirit in us.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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