Hell Bound? Says who???

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Bro. Hall 'righteous judgment' says:
"If our gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost." 2Cor. 4:3 Was Paul arrogant?
Paul said even if an angel from Heaven.......was he arrogant?
John said he that is of God heareth us 1Jn.4:6-8
I believe you are honest and sincere however you are expousing pluralism.
Noah's message not only saved the 8 but condemned the world. Heb.11:7

First, you’re quoting a translation that you believe was translated by men who were blind to the truth. Please quote from an Apostolic English translation.

Second, you mistaken the “gospel” for being Acts 2:38. That’s not the gospel. The gospel is the “good news”. What is the good news? That Jesus died, was buried, and rose again to redeem us from our sins. Acts 2:38 only presents repentance, water baptism, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. These are actions taken to apply the gospel to one’s life. There are many who are not blinded as to the gospel…they just misunderstand how to apply it and need to be nurtured into the way more perfectly.

Let’s look at men like Wesley. Wesley experienced deep repentance from sin, our holiness standards are largely based on early Holiness standards as understood and taught
by Wesley. Wesley sought to obey the Word of God by being water baptized and was water baptized. However, no one really understood the difference between using the name of Jesus and the titles. Their interpretation was that “in the name of” meant, “in the authority of”. So in a sincere and obedient heart Wesley was water baptized, howbeit in the only way they knew. Wesley also experienced deep spiritual ecstasy with weeping, sobbing, and unintelligible groaning in prayer. Wesley affirmed the doctrine of the Trinity, however he also admitted that there were contradictions that indicate that the nature of God was beyond their understanding. You have to remember…these guys couldn’t go down the street to the local UPCI church. This was all there was available to them. But notice, John Wesley had repented, was water baptized, and may have even experienced the baptism of the Holy Ghost. He may have beheld a glimpse of the truth in how he recognized contradictions in the Trinity. His only error…he was subject to the prevailing tradition of baptism in titles. Do you really think God is going to send John Wesley to a burning Hell? God may hit the buzzer and all of Heaven groan as God says,

“I’m sorry John, thanks for playing. You won the first round on repentance and you even won the bonus of the Holy Ghost baptism though you didn’t know what it was; but you missed the double jeopardy round of baptism, John. Yes you did your very best according to all you understood, but sorry…a third person didn’t speak the right formula above you as you were water baptized. For all your faith and obedience you will win an eternal trip to a burning Hell where you’ll experience torments for all eternity. Let’s give a big round of applause for John Wesley ladies and gentleman!”

Please READ what Jesus said Bro. Epley…

Luke 12:47-48
“{12:47} And that servant, WHICH KNEW HIS LORD’S WILL, and prepared not [himself,] neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes. ]{12:48} BUT HE THAT KNEW NOT, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes.] For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”

Notice something…Jesus is addressing corporal punishment not death sentence. Not an eternal incarceration or eternal torment. This is a disciplinary action. In short…this is the Judgment Seat of Jesus Christ. Notice these are both “servants”. Both are believers. However, one is an Apostolic who sneaks around looking at unclean things on the internet though he knew his master’s will is that he remains pure. But here’s John Wesley, he KNEW NOT the entirety of his master’s will. Understood repentance and even had the baptism of the Holy Ghost. He even lived a more separate lifestyle than most Apostolics do today. His only problem…he didn’t KNOW that his water baptism should have been in the name of Jesus. He didn’t KNOW the depths of Oneness doctrine though he struggled with the contradictions of the doctrine of the Trinity. Who do you feel is going to face the harshest judgment?

Jesus clearly teaches the fullness of truth…but then tells us that unto whom much is given…much is required.

Noah’s message warned the world. And I’d wager that out of the 8 that were saved, at least one of them didn’t have the depth of understanding Noah had.

See, the gospel you preach is Repentance, Water Baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling. BUT THAT’S NOT THE GOSPEL. Paul tells us what the gospel is….

“{15:1} Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; {15:2} By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. {15:3} For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; {15:4} And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” – I Corinthians 15:1-4

The Gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Acts 2:38 only expresses how that Gospel was applied to the believer’s life.

Are you preaching the Gospel the Apostles preached…or is this hidden from you as you preach applications, modes, and formulas as being our savior?

I love ya Bro. Eply…but I think you’re putting the cart before the Horse. You’re also assuming that what you understand is the bar by which all men will be measured and judged.

I believe you are honest and sincere however you are expousing pluralism.

I will not specifically say that one outside of the truth is definitely saved. Nor will I say that they are definitely lost. I am secure enough in what I believe to allow God to be their judge. However, if one wants to know how to be sure they are saved, I teach that they must believe in the Gospel and obey Acts 2:38.