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Old 05-19-2008, 07:55 AM
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I come from a pretty Democratic extended family. None of my relatives has ever had an abortion. None of my relatives has ever indicated that they would have an abortion. In fact most in my family, though they are Democrats, believe that life is sacred and that women should choose life. They break with Republicans because at the end of the day they believe that the government isn’t qualified to essentially seize a woman’s body and force her to give birth, so they feel “choice” is the best policy. Everyone of my relatives support measures to reduce the abortion rate by relieving women caught in poverty, abuse, and in the need of health insurance. Since I know these people and love these people I find it VERY insulting and small minded to claim that Democrats “kill babies”.
You call abortion murder and apparently see no place for a woman to be forgiven for having one yet you say that the government isn't qualified to force a woman to give birth. This doesn't even make sense. If that is your position than murder of any kind is beyond the governments qualifications to punish or prevent.

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I saw a pastor “wimp out” while preaching about Christian worldview. He spent half his sermon blasting liberal worldviews and assailing on the sanctity of life. It really was a very passionate and powerful sermon that brought strong conviction. He called the political liberals of our nation “murderers” who will face the “wrath of God”. BUT he then he stopped and said, “I want to stop here. I want to tell any woman in this sanctuary who may have had an abortion that, in this place, you can have that sin forgiven and God can make all things new.” Um….hello?! If you or I had just mercilessly chose to KILL our children I highly doubt that pastor would soft peddle the issue! Here’s the deal, many women pay tithes. He’ll call political liberals murderers who deserve the wrath of God…but then pet and coddle a woman who may have chosen to MURDER her unborn child and suck it down a drain! I was disgusted!

Women who choose abortion are far more abominable in God’s eyes than any politician.



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I don’t believe women who have procured an abortion should serve in church leadership positions.
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I wouldn’t support ordaining a man who was divorced nor would I support granting a license to any woman who had procured an abortion. Here’s the issue I have with political “Christian Conservatives”…our love of life is too often restricted to the POLITICAL SPHERE and we’re too wimpy and limp wristed to enforce our life ethics IN THE CHURCH. I’ll be honest, I’m not even sure if a woman who has procured an abortion can be saved.?!

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Now tell me…would you agree with this? Or would you “soft ball” and wimp out with a woman who committed this sin and only use this as some cheap political ploy like most Republicans?!
What I find disgusting is this no mercy point of view. I guess the fact that Paul was complicit in the murder of Stephen hade him unfit to minister too? I do believe a woman can choose to terminate her pregnancy to preserve her own life. There are times this is necessary or both will die. I wouldn't let my wife and kid die in a fire simply because I could only save one. Sometime we do have to make choices about life and death.

What a weak god you must serve that he cannot forgive sins.
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