What would it take for you to get back into the UPC???

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

The problem with the UPC in terms of returning and/or remaining is that there is never a "FISH OR CUT BAIT" defining moment. They are neither right nor left on the continum and they cannot agree. Therefore they have their culture to define them, their look, their "separation. They have their rules, but even they acknowledge they are disobeyed and of none effect! What are they left with? An objective culture that keeps people in the separated social group.

The only momentous and decisive decision making time was in 1992, and there could very well be another on the horizon. But still there will be those who continue to hook bait, and tie flies, but they will never toss their line into the water.

THIS is why it would be difficult for me to return. It has become their nature, and a person's or more certainly an organization cannot change their nature.

Carpenter, in all due resepct, you put way too many absolutes in the above post for me to take it overly seriously.