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Originally Posted by Encryptus
I believe TR is merely trying to make a point that both views were manifest early on in the history of the church.
As an aside, in the first century converts to Judaism were baptized for the remission of sins and even they debated whether it was to remit sins or because sins had been remitted. I believe all TR was trying to say "without getting into a debate on the merits of the doctrine" is that BOTH beliefs were debated, perhaps as early as the FIRST century.
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Thank you Encryptus. At least
YOU see the point I was making.
As you pointed out, I made it clear that I had no desire to debate the doctrine itself, but I've found that for some folks, that's not enough...
That's why I actually try to limit my comments on certain topics here.
What I have found is that there are some among us who seem to almost live for these topics to come up, so they can come out of the woodwork and lecture us on how wrong the "3-stepper" salvation doctrine is. Clearly some of these people here have have an agenda, and frankly, I cant really be bothered arguing with them any more. I've heard virtually all their arguments, and find them unconvincing and flawed. I'll let them suck some other unsuspecting person into their vortex of endless and circular debates. As for me, I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch.
When it comes to the essentials of Bible doctrine, I already know what I believe; I have nothing to prove to them, and am not going to be convinced by what they're trying to prove to me and the rest of us.
Blessings.
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