Water/Spirit

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

No the first time I heard someone explain John 3:5 as not being about baptism it actually made sense to me. I feel like you have to bring a lot of baggage with you to get baptism out of that passage. So I kicked the W/S doctrine first.




When Jesus explains it he compares a natural birth to a spiritual birth...that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

Water = natural birth
Spirit = spiritual birth

(but that's a separate thread)

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


Verse 3 says that one needs to be born again to even see the Kingdom.
Verse a question by Nicodemus as he was just looking at the natural.
How do we do it?
Verse 5 he says that if one doesn't get born of "water" & "Spirit" he can not enter the Kingdom.

Why would he state that unless one was born "naturally" & then born of the "Spirit" it would be redundant unless the being born of water relates to Water Baptism?

Makes sense when one looks at Water Spirit being water baptism & Spirit Baptism.