Run your car with water - Page 2

DanielR · #11 06-08-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Turns out this is different than what I was thinking it. I was thinking about a program I saw where a man has actually invented a way of making salt water burn. He's converted his Escort over to this new system he's designed and everything.

Yeah, that's a totally different thing. Like you, I wouldn't want to go with that 'cause that looks like problems waiting to happen.

Rico · #12 06-08-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I am always amazed at the people who buy into the conspiracy theories that the oil companies are keeping all of this amazing technology from us.

Don't you think that if something like this were viable that other huge companies, like car manufacturers, would be jumping on it?

Car mfg.'s spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get more mpg and performance out of engines.

The new CAFE requirments mean that beginning in 2012 the average mpg rating for car mfg.'s will rise 1 mpg per year until it hits something like 35mpg if memory servies me correctly.

These wild schemes to increase gas mileage have been around forever. Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines used to be filled with ads trying to get you to just spent a few bucks to double your gas mileage, etc. I think the truth in avertising regulations put most of those guys out of business.

Usually if one of these things does work to increase mpg it has a negative affect in that it destroys the engine or some other bad thing.

CC1, it's no secret that the car manufacturers and oil companies are in cahoots with each other. That's not some far fetched conspiracy theory. Cars that use oil wear out much faster than cars than cars that use synthetic types of oil. Who do you think benefits from that? The car manufacturers do because they get to sell you more new cars over your lifetime.

If what these people are saying is true, and this technology was patented back in the 70s, why hasn't it been implemented on a wide scale basis? Because the oil companies don't want you owning a car that gets 50+ miles to a gallon of gasoline especially when the price of oil was cheap. They'd rather you own an SUV that gets 14, so they can sell you more gasoline.

One industry looks out for the other. The oil companies make sure that synthetic oil costs too much for the average person to use in their cars, thereby ensuring your car wears out faster so the automakers get to sell more cars. Then the automakers make sure their cars don't get the kind of fuel economy they could with the right kind of technology being used on a mass scale, thereby helping the oil companies to to sell more gasoline. They're busy scratching each other's backs.

RandyWayne · #13 06-08-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I am always amazed at the people who buy into the conspiracy theories that the oil companies are keeping all of this amazing technology from us.

Don't you think that if something like this were viable that other huge companies, like car manufacturers, would be jumping on it?

Car mfg.'s spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to get more mpg and performance out of engines.

The new CAFE requirments mean that beginning in 2012 the average mpg rating for car mfg.'s will rise 1 mpg per year until it hits something like 35mpg if memory servies me correctly.

These wild schemes to increase gas mileage have been around forever. Popular Mechanics and Popular Science magazines used to be filled with ads trying to get you to just spent a few bucks to double your gas mileage, etc. I think the truth in avertising regulations put most of those guys out of business.

Usually if one of these things does work to increase mpg it has a negative affect in that it destroys the engine or some other bad thing.

This reminds me of the story that I hear from virtually everyone: "I have a friend/uncle who had a friend/uncle who had some big 1971 <fill in the name of the car> boat that used to get 47 miles to the gallon! He took it in for service one and the technician said 'you had the wrong carb installed. We switched it for the correct one." at which point they started getting the 'normal' 17 mpg."
I have traveled across the country and heard this near identical story in nearly every household.

Fact: Water has no inherent energy in it. It is the product of hydrogen that has chemically burnt. Just as pure ash is the burnt product of wood (charcoal is only partially burnt.... so that is NOT an example of being able to 're-burn' something.)
Fact #2: In some cases they CAN inject water into an engine to increase HP, but only when the engine is running extremely hot. The extra HP comes from the increased compression brought by the extra steam. The water isn't adding any extra heat to the process.
Fact #3: Making hydrogen from water is VERY inefficient. Any talk of "browns gas" is just another throw back to sheisters who tried to patent their miracle inventions.
Fact #4: Because something is patented means it is NOT viable. The patent office stopped taking applications for perpetual motion machines a few decades ago, but there are still many of them on file.

Here is an excellent site on perpetual motion. Many good articles on 'browns gas'/hydrogen and '200 mph' carbs.
http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html

Praxeas · #14 06-08-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

I've heard about this. If it turns out to be a viable alternative, the oil companies will probably buy his plans, make him a multi-millionaire, and lock the plans up in a vault somewhere for ever. BTW, the program I saw had the inventor using salt water.

That or some venture capitalist will back it up and start making cars that do this

Rico · #15 06-08-2008, 03:47 PM

This is what I was thinking about.

Rico · #16 06-08-2008, 03:51 PM

Here's the guy using water to run his car.

ManOfWord · #17 06-08-2008, 04:01 PM

I've already checked these out. None is really as viable as it seems. To make enough H gas, you need to have a lot of surface area on your electrode for the hydrolysis process. I also don't know what the amperage needs are and what kind of load it would put on your alternator when splitting the H2O.

Rico · #18 06-08-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I've already checked these out. None is really as viable as it seems. To make enough H gas, you need to have a lot of surface area on your electrode for the hydrolysis process. I also don't know what the amperage needs are and what kind of load it would put on your alternator when splitting the H2O.

Have you checked out the one that uses a mason jar with water and baking soda in it?