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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
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A comment and a question, Raven...
a.... You may already know this anyway but: The name of God is widely ASSUMED to be Yahweh, but it's not known with certainty, because the original writers of the OT manuscripts used the initials YHWH instead of writing out God's actual name... and we have interpolated the consonants "a" and "e" to come up with the "name" Yahweh. So none of us even know the how it was originally pronounced, so we cant know for sure what the original spoken name of God was. Even if you insist that Yahweh is His proper name, you really don't know that for sure.
b.... since you feel the King James translators have committed such a great transgression by replacing God's name with "LORD", what version of the Bible do you use, which has the "proper" name of God?
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YHWH,Here it is, Y is for Ye ,H is for ho,W is for ws ,H is for huwa. His name is Yehowshuwa.Even Yahweh was shortened from Yehowshuwa to Yahweh.Yahweh is not pronounced the same as Yehowshuwa.
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06-08-2008, 12:19 AM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
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YHWH,Here it is, Y is for Ye ,H is for ho,W is for ws ,H is for huwa. His name is Yehowshuwa.Even Yahweh was shortened from Yehowshuwa to Yahweh.Yahweh is not pronounced the same as Yehowshuwa.
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Where do you get your information that Y is for Ye? He is for ho. W is for WS and He is for huwa?
And where do you get your information that Yahweh is shortened from Yehhowshuwa?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-08-2008, 10:04 PM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
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Where do you get your information that Y is for Ye? He is for ho. W is for WS and He is for huwa?
And where do you get your information that Yahweh is shortened from Yehhowshuwa?
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http://www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm
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06-09-2008, 12:40 AM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
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I see an error right off the bat. They claim the name was Yahshua and that can't transliterate into jEsus or IEsous....but the name was Yeshua and it transliterates into Iesous
The people that made that website are into spiritism...the occult...they promote the likes of Edgar Cayce
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-09-2008, 01:31 AM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
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No, THAT was a weak answer. You did not refute a thing I said. You can say "the moon is made of green cheese" a million times and that would not make it true.
Prove it is a separation. Prove that it really matters or affects us from being closer to God. All you have done was make assertions so far and after I countered your argument you failed to directly address my points.
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 YOU - SIR, JUST LIKE TO ARGUE!  ..... and that "green cheese" argument .... can be applied to your comment also. By the way, do you ever stop and consider that you don't KNOW the person you're "speaking" to on these forums - sometimes your answers can come off so abrasive. Of course, if you stay true to course, then your answer to MY comment would then be some sort of "slam". I'm not sure where you are from... but I think maybe you have a very dominate (possibly argumentative) pastor/leader. Maybe not...and if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance! NOW don't get defensive - I'm just making a "point" ... that we sometimes answer these posts based on the emotion that they invoke in us!! Just an observer...
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06-09-2008, 01:33 AM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
oooooh boy.
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06-09-2008, 01:42 AM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
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oooooh boy.
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06-09-2008, 02:24 AM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
I didn't say anything about that person. All I did was respond to his assertions and asked some questions. Then he made a comment about my spirit.
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-09-2008, 03:20 AM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
I understand, it took me a while to get use to Prax, but I finally figured out he really likes to get to the point with as few words as possible. And not get emotional about it. And he has a great sense of humor. But you have to really watch for it or you might miss it. 
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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06-09-2008, 06:52 PM
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Re: Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates
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I see an error right off the bat. They claim the name was Yahshua and that can't transliterate into jEsus or IEsous....but the name was Yeshua and it transliterates into Iesous
The people that made that website are into spiritism...the occult...they promote the likes of Edgar Cayce
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I don't care who made the sight,don't mean it's wrong.Look it up for yourself,different spelling,same pronunciation.
H3442
ישׁוּע
יֵשׁוַּע yêshûa‛
yah-shoo‘-ah
For 3091 he will save; Jeshua, the name of two Israelites, also of a place in Palestine: - Jeshua.
H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
יְהוֹשׁוַּע יְהוֹשׁוַּע yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo‘-ah, yeh-ho-shoo‘-ah
From 3068 and 3467 Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare 1954 3442
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ישׁע
יָשַׁע yâsha‛
yaw-shah‘
A primitive root; properly to be open, wide or free, that is, (by implication) to be safe; causatively to free or succor: - X at all, avenging, defend, deliver (-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save (-iour), get victory.
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ישׁוּע
יֵשׁוַּע yêshûa‛
yah-shoo‘-ah
For 3091 he will save; Jeshua, the name of two Israelites, also of a place in Palestine: - Jeshua.
search for yourself
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?...E&q=Yehowshuwa
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