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06-18-2008, 11:49 AM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
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It all depends on motive! Maybe it's announced to incourage other churches to give. If you do things to be seen of men, you have your reward in them seeing you. If you do things to be seen of God, you reward is stored up in heaven.
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But, Jesus' edict to not "give to be seen of men" makes no allowances for motive.
It's plain and simple - "That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. "
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06-18-2008, 11:53 AM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
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Colorful clothing???????
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Sure. Colorful clothing draws attention to the wearer.
So, if your argument is that we shouldn't draw attention to ourselves, maybe we should wear drab grays, blacks and whites, with no buttons?
This would certainly fulfill the scripture directing us to wear "modest" apparel.
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06-18-2008, 11:53 AM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Oh, I don't know, Ron. SOME occasions may call for rings, baubles, or more specifically, pearls.
The Bible seems to think that a bride's wedding day is one of those "occasions."
What do you think about that?
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I believe in OT times women, more specifically "Brides" got all decked out in jewelry on thier wedding day, however there were also multiple wives that men could have & divorce, both of which Jesus said "stop!"
In the NT God doesn't want "bingles" "baubles" and junk around either a man or a womans body, but rather he wants to see an "ornament" of a beutiful spirit as evidenced by godly attitudes!
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06-18-2008, 11:54 AM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Sure. Colorful clothing draws attention to the wearer.
So, if your argument is that we shouldn't draw attention to ourselves, maybe we should wear drab grays, blacks and whites, with no buttons?
This would certainly fulfill the scripture directing us to wear "modest" apparel.
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My wife thinks I already do that!
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06-18-2008, 11:57 AM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
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Originally Posted by Ron
I believe in OT times women, more specifically "Brides" got all decked out in jewelry on thier wedding day, however there were also multiple wives that men could have & divorce, both of which Jesus said "stop!"
In the NT God doesn't want "bingles" "baubles" and junk around either a man or a womans body, but rather he wants to see an "ornament" of a beutiful spirit as evidenced by godly attitudes!
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Wow what a jump. He didn't say stop wearing jewelry.
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06-18-2008, 11:57 AM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
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Originally Posted by Ron
I believe in OT times women, more specifically "Brides" got all decked out in jewelry on thier wedding day, however there were also multiple wives that men could have & divorce, both of which Jesus said "stop!"
In the NT God doesn't want "bingles" "baubles" and junk around either a man or a womans body, but rather he wants to see an "ornament" of a beautiful spirit as evidenced by godly attitudes!
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I agree with you...mostly.  I just don't agree that God forbade bangles, baubles, etc., and replaced it with a beautiful spirit. Unless he was forbidding clothing at the same time.
I agree that we are to focus on the inward more than the outward. Which, IMO, is the point of the passage you are referring to.
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06-18-2008, 11:59 AM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
We should be drawing attention to Jesus and not ourselves.
Do folks who drive fancy automobiles to church drawing attention to themselves ?
Are they prideful for driving SUVS,and Cadillacs to church ?
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I hope not because I drive a Cadillac!! It was given to me (used), free and clear, so I don't really care if it is a Cadillac, a Toyota, or a Ford.
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06-18-2008, 12:01 PM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
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I hope not because I drive a Cadillac!! It was given to me (used), free and clear, so I don't really care if it is a Cadillac, a Toyota, or a Ford.
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Crusin in the caddy!!!
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06-18-2008, 12:02 PM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
Girl,drive that Caddy go crusing around town,cause you got that style.
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06-18-2008, 12:02 PM
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Re: Folks COMMANDED to Remove Ornaments.
Hey if someone wants to give me a Volvo I'll take it.
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