Pastoral Internet Regulation & Control - Page 6

Rico · #51 06-26-2008, 10:17 AM

1 Peter 5:3 (KJV)
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.

ReformedDave · #52 06-26-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

what about "obey them that have RULE over you" ???

The role of the pastor has specific limits and this is not one of them.

dizzyde · #53 06-26-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

In the words of an old man who has passed on now, "Watch it."

ReformedDave · #54 06-26-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Sounds like a good catch all verse to legislate anything you want.

As you know MANY have.........

Baron1710 · #55 06-26-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzyde

Is that a UFO over your head? I know it ain't no halo. (yes, I said ain't no)

tbpew · #56 06-26-2008, 10:33 AM

can we possible treat some portion of this conversation independant of the "pastoral" subject or is THAT THE MAIN THING here.

I say this because, I think there is a really interesting component of our human condition that emerges when we soberly discuss accountability.

Mich,
Is subjecting yourself to accountability processes equivalent to deploying a fear tactic?

I submit that John 3:19 is direct witness of man's condition and the difficultly of welcoming accountability as a GOOD thing.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Accountability is a mechanism by which a LIGHT is introduced that illuminates our choices.
No accountability is a condition whereby our choices remain in darkness.

IMO, accountability MUST be a voluntary subjection of ourselves to another.

But, is there a coherent argument AGAINST purposely establishing systems of accountability?

MissBrattified · #57 06-26-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

can we possible treat some portion of this conversation independant of the "pastoral" subject or is THAT THE MAIN THING here.

I say this because, I think there is a really interesting component of our human condition that emerges when we soberly discuss accountability.

Mich,
Is subjecting yourself to accountability processes equivalent to deploying a fear tactic?

I submit that John 3:19 is direct witness of man's condition and the difficultly of welcoming accountability as a GOOD thing.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Accountability is a mechanism by which a LIGHT is introduced that illuminates our choices.
No accountability is a condition whereby our choices remain in darkness.

IMO, accountability MUST be a voluntary subjection of ourselves to another.

But, is there a coherent argument AGAINST purposely establishing systems of accountability?

I think that IS the main point here. And the coherent argument is--this isn't (according to the reporting post) voluntary, so this isn't a "system of accountability", but a system of mandatory surveillance.

Kind of like a wife submitting to her husband must be voluntary--otherwise she is subservient--not submissive.

COOPER · #58 06-26-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Minister_WD

I recently heard of a pastor who has an Internet safety person on their church staff. All church members are required to have filter software installed on their computers, which logs their online activity. It is mandatory that church members email reports of their online activity to the Internet safety staff member, who then reviews the reports. If he finds anything questionable, he notifies the pastor who then addresses the person in question.

I understand the reasons for having an Internet accountability partner, but is having a dedicated staff member really necessary? Would you sit under a pastor who had this type of accountability system in place? In my opinion, having an Internet accountability partner should be a decision a person should make on their own, not dictated by their pastor.

Who's to keep that over see'r from veiwing the porn that was viewed by said member?

I can see it now; " I saw what you looked at bro......she was necked!"

tbpew · #59 06-26-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think that IS the main point here. And the coherent argument is--this isn't (according to the reporting post) voluntary, so this isn't a "system of accountability", but a system of mandatory surveillance.

Kind of like a wife submitting to her husband must be voluntary--otherwise she is subservient--not submissive.

well thank you, your bratness,
I think you are quite right and my energies would be misplaced to try and redirect the subject focus from the PASTORAL RULE being attempted to the topic of accountability.

I owe you one. I could have really wasted some good lunch time minutes on this one.

regards,
tbpew

StillStanding · #60 06-26-2008, 10:44 AM

This sounds like a church I would love to attend!

I'm sure that the pastor and staff make their own internet activity available to the congregation for accountability! I wonder if the phone and cell phone records of the pastor are also made available.

I've never heard of a church being so transparent for accountability reasons. Those folks are really blessed!