Holiness for Children: Kingdom Kids Series

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

An excellent tool in soul winning also ... One 4 year old tells the other 4 year old essentially "don't come here w/ that junk on" .... I'm sure this is one of the "positive" effects.

No they are at church she was edifying. Soul winning is what those in the church go a do to sinners. So do you think it would be better if she had said ohh let me have some finger nail polish. I don't see anything negative about these childrens books but I see much negative about your attitude towards them. If you don't think you will like them then don't read them.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by slave4him

No they are at church she was edifying. Soul winning is what those in the church go a do to sinners. So do you think it would be better if she had said ohh let me have some finger nail polish. I don't see anything negative about these childrens books but I see much negative about your attitude towards them. If you don't think you will like them then don't read them.

I indeed view some of the false extrabiblical teaching found in these books negatively. I can only speculate that if the post had been about books that speak of trinitarianism, or divine flesh or why a TV is evil ... your reaction might be different.

Are you suggesting that you can say categorically that the other young girl was from an Apostolic or "saved' home .... if she had nail polish on???? No.

Lastly, what are your thoughts on teaching our young ladies that uncut hair can protect them daily? Or suggesting it has curative powers?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I indeed view some of the false extrabiblical teaching found in these books negatively.

You call them false, yet most of these so called extrabiblical teachings are very good teaching that help protect ladies. I am sorry if I seem harsh but I have been reading many of your post and they seem very judgmental towards anyone who chooses to stand for seperation from the world especially when it pertains to outward apperances.

I can only speculate that if the post had been about books that speak of trinitarianism, or divine flesh or why a TV is evil ... your reaction might be different

Depends on the thread but for the most part you are correct. I come from a church that at one time taught these things you call extrabiblical. They taught them all my life. Little by little they started drifting away from these things. Now days you can't tell them from anyone else. Also my dad whom taught me to believe one God whom I seen miraculous things happen in his life who still attends this church looked at me and says he doesn't believe that Acts 2:38 is nessicary anymore. God let me see that it is just like the days of Jerimiah. We have people who love the gods of this world more than than Jesus. They would rather live as close to the world as they can. they recieve so called prophets that say good things to their ears but no one wants to hear those silly things that the Jerimiahs of this day are saying.

Are you suggesting that you can say categorically that the other young girl was from an Apostolic or "saved' home .... if she had nail polish on???? No.

No I can not and you cant say she wasn't if you want to be that way about it.

Lastly, what are your thoughts on teaching our young ladies that uncut hair can protect them daily? Or suggesting it has curative powers

1cor 11:10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

For what cause is this talking? What power is this talking about?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Each story, interestingly, features one or two girls, called Angel and/or Miriam as protagonists.
{Why aren't boys featured as main characters also? Is God's Holiness primarily a female problem?}

Perhaps I can be of assistance as I have four of these. The author used her own children/family in these books and since she has girls and not boys, boys aren't the main character. Also, on some of the books, the girls are also credited as having written them. (Kingdom Clothing, Angels Watching Over Me)

5 out of the 6 books seemingly deal with outer standards. Only one, the last one, deals with moral purity.
{Doesn't Holiness start inward? Does it appear the Mrs. Harvey is focusing primarily on the outward?}

My guess is that she wanted children's books that parents who believe these teachings could use to reinforce them. I don't recall any other children's books in the UPC that did this before Ruth.

Do you have "Angels Watching Over You"?

Another morning of getting ready for school becomes very exciting as Miriam learns many wonderful things about being a King's Kid. She discovers how the armor of God and her uncut hair protects her every day. Find out how special every boy and girl is when they are one of God's kids.

{How does her uncut hair really give her the power of protection? Can this be substantiated by the Word?}

The beginning of the book, Miriam and her mom are discussing the armor of God. As mom later brushes Miriam's hair, the subject of hair is brought up by Miriam as her friend had her hair cut and now some were asking miriam why she doesn't cut hers.

These are the Scriptures mentioned in the book that pertain to the subject: 1 Corinthians 11:10 (because of the power on her head, Miriam has big strong angels watching over her all the time), Psalm 34:7, 1 Corinthians 11:14 (mom tells Miriam God made her feel as she does when she sees men with long hair- they make Miriam laugh and think they are silly), Psalm 91:11, Psalm 119:11, 11 Timothy 3;15, Proverbs 23:23, Ephesians 6:13-17.
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KINGDOM CLOTHING - Kingdom Kids Series Book #2; For ages 5-9 years old

Do you wear "Kingdom Clothing"? As the summer vacation comes to end, Angel goes shopping for school clothes. She learns all about Kingdom Clothing and how God's Kids should dress. Find out how special every boy and girl is when they are Kingdom Kids.

{What specific articles of clothing give witness of Kingdom Clothing?}

What is covered in the book is Angel getting reading once again for the start of school after summer vacation and the mom and girls go to the mall in search of skirts needed in their school uniform colors. Women in pants is the first to be discussed as Miriam sees some posters with girls in pants and says, "Don't they know girls are supposed to wear dresses?" They talk about choosing skirts that are long enough to cover their body (mom and girls are always drawn with clothing that reaches their footwear). They are King's Kid's and should wear Kingdom clothing.

While eating after shopping, Angels notices that most of the girls she sees are wearing pants and asks mom why they don't wear them. Mom quotes Genesis 1:27, saying God doesn't want the sexes to look, act or dress the same way. We then hear Deuteronomy 22:5 and abominations. We learn this is something extremely disgusting to God, makes Him feel sick, almost like throwing up. Then we draw stick figures of a boy and girl to reinforce the dress difference. We also examine the signs on the bathroom doors. This shows people really do know how to dress.

It pretty much just speaks about wearing skirts/dresses and not pants if you are female.

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MARBLE PALACES OR PAINTED BARNS - Kingdom Kids Series Book #3; For ages 5-9 years old

Are you a marble palace or a painted barn? It's Miriam's birthday and she is having a party. In the middle of the celebration she receives a very unusual present. Miriam learns how God made her perfect in every way. Find out how every Kingdom Kid is God's special masterpiece.

{Why is receiving a makeup kit unusual? Does putting on any type of makeup, including blush, make you a painted barn and not a marble palace for God to dwell in?}

It is unusual if you never use it. It's Miriam's birthday and she's having a party. A school friend gave Miriam a make-up set that contained fingernail polish and lipstick. She quickly set it aside and continues to open her last gift.

After the party, mom and Miriam examine the kit. Mom tells Miriam, "You don't need that make-up set because God made you perfect in every way." She likens drawing all over Miriam's pictures (ruining them) to Miriam using make-up. When Miriam says that would hurt her feelings and make her think they didn't like her drawings, mom responds, "That is how God feels when we paint our bodies." She then asks if Miriam would paint her cat with her art set, and says the zookeeper doesn't paint the animals at the zoo. We don't paint the flowers or the trees. This all shows that living things do not get painted.

Mom shares how Psalm 144:12 says we are like a beautiful marble palace. If a king made such a palace, would he cover its beauty with a cheap coat of red paint? Mom likens this to wearing nail poilish and lipstick. We cover God's beauty with ugly paint.

So, yes, according to this book, putting on any type of make-up would make you a painted barn and no longer a marble palace.

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GOD'S JEWELS - Kingdom Kids Series Book #4; For ages 5-9 years old

Are you one of God's Jewels? One afternoon the mailman brought Angel a package from California. After opening the surprise gift, she learns all about reflecting God's glory. Find out how every Kingdom Kid is one of God's Jewels!

{Who keeps on giving these young ladies such unholy presents? Does she cease being God's jewel when she eventually wears her wedding ring? Who created jewels and precious metals then?}

This time it is the paternal grandmother from California who mails the jewelry, a pearl necklace. Angel has to do a report on pearls for school. Then they discuss why Grandma Rieder would send her a necklace, when they don't wear jewelry. Grandma has never been baptized in the name of Jesus or received the Spirit and spoken in tongues, so she doesn't understand why they don't wear it.

Mom then recounts how she stole rings from a store when she was young. She then felt guilty, took them back and apologized. mom then explains why they don't wear jewelry and takes her to Ezekiel 28:13 and shows how Lucifer had all these precious stones. "The light of the glory (meanining God's glory) reflected in Lucifer's jeweled covering and filled the heavens with brilliant color," mom explains.

She then goes to Isaiah 14:13-14 and speaks about the fall of Lucifer. His pride turned him into a devil. Since then, he has fought against God and "that is why God's Word commands us not to wear gold or pearls in 1 Timothy 2:9 and 1 Peter 3:3. Jewelry draws attendtion to us unstead of to God. this can cause us to become proud and disobey God just like Lucifer."

Then Angel asks what reflects God's glory now. Mom takes her to Malachi 3:17. If I recall, though, in one adult book on hair, I believe she says the women do with their uncut hair.

[SDG]

1cor 11:10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

For what cause is this talking? What power is this talking about?

Now we get to the heart of the matter ... are you saying that her long hair, not uncut hair [1 Cor. never states this] moves the angels to protection mode???

Do you have any other scripture to harmonize this with?

What about the doctrine of uncut hair having healing power???

[Rhoni]

The Bible tells us to "train up a child in the way they should go..." I think Ruth has the right idea but I disagree with many of the ideas contained in the books. The rigidity of the dress standard issue causes so much division in churches, districts, families, and in individual homes that I cannot see this being of God.

The age of accountability for the young varies with age, and maturity level. The dress code should be one of modesty and appropriateness more than teaching children that God hates people who wear this or that. If Biblical principles of holiness: loving your friends, families, and enemies, and doing good to those who despitefully use you, following peace with all men, and not judging others by your own standards then books about inner standards of character would be more appropriate for our children.

Blessings, Rhoni

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Now we get to the heart of the matter ... are you saying that her long hair, not uncut hair [1 Cor. never states this] moves the angels to protection mode???

Do you have any other scripture to harmonize this with?

What about the doctrine of uncut hair having healing power???

No I can't give you a scripture that says " A womans hair is not suppose to be cut" but you can't give me a scripture that says " A womans hair is ok to be cut" I can give you one that says it isn't suppose to be shaven or shorn and that is very debatable. All I can give you is my experience in prayer and the fact that every church I have ever been around that quits doing these things eventually lost that deep annointing that comes with seperation. That is my experience. I will never judge anyone eternaly for not obeying this but as for me and my house we are going to turn over every rock walk every mile and do what ever we can even if we get to heaven and others are their that didn't believe just like we did I can garuntee that we wont be upset.

[Rhoni]

I know of one Apostolic grandmother that is denied access to her grandchildren because she and her children disagree on dress standards. All they are teaching the grandbabies are that it is all right to treat your grandmother any way you want because she is a sinner and you are a saint. It worries me what we are teaching our young in regard to the way they treat others more than what they do or don't wear.

Blessings, Rhoni

[SDG]

Originally Posted by slave4him

No I can't give you a scripture that says " A womans hair is not suppose to be cut" but you can't give me a scripture that says " A womans hair is ok to be cut" I can give you one that says it isn't suppose to be shaven or shorn and that is very debatable. All I can give you is my experience in prayer and the fact that every church I have ever been around that quits doing these things eventually lost that deep annointing that comes with seperation. That is my experience. I will never judge anyone eternaly for not obeying this but as for me and my house we are going to turn over every rock walk every mile and do what ever we can even if we get to heaven and others are their that didn't believe just like we did I can garuntee that we wont be upset.

Its my experience that many people we think have this "deeper" anointing indeed do cut their hair ..... and I also attend I church where there are Spirit-filled anointed women with long trimmed hair. As for me and my house we will not allow extrabiblical teachings to permeate our thinking, behaviors, and to dictate how we view the body of Christ.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

The Bible tells us to "train up a child in the way they should go..." I think Ruth has the right idea but I disagree with many of the ideas contained in the books. The rigidity of the dress standard issue causes so much division in churches, districts, families, and in individual homes that I cannot see this being of God.

The age of accountability for the young varies with age, and maturity level. The dress code should be one of modesty and appropriateness more than teaching children that God hates people who wear this or that. If Biblical principles of holiness: loving your friends, families, and enemies, and doing good to those who despitefully use you, following peace with all men, and not judging others by your own standards then books about inner standards of character would be more appropriate for our children.

Blessings, Rhoni

I don't believe that these books teach that God hates people that wear this or that. It is for those who choose to live a seperated lifestyle outwardly.
In this day and time wear a woman like britney Spears whom this world exploits her for every thing outwardly til it causes her to have to go into rehab. I think these books are very appropriate.