Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That has NOTHING to do with this subject. If everyone was a glutton it would not make adultery alright.
Smoking is a sin and no one saved smokes period. A glutton can ease up onm their eating a smoker cannot just ease up on their smoking it is not the same.

Brother,


If You don't want to answer the questions, just say so!

Nina

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,


If You don't want to answer the questions, just say so!

Nina

I always heard that over eating is a disorder. You order dis, and you order dat...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That has NOTHING to do with this subject. If everyone was a glutton it would not make adultery alright.
Smoking is a sin and no one saved smokes period. A glutton can ease up onm their eating a smoker cannot just ease up on their smoking it is not the same.

Bro. Eply...having heart disease and obesity in my family...I have to differ with you. Everyone in my family over 50 has already had heart surgery. My mother died last year on July 7th of a heart attack...she was 54. The only smoker in my family is my aunt. The way we eat, what we eat, when we eat, and it's over all impact on one's health is just as serious as smoking. In fact...more people die every year from heart disease relating to obesity than die of lung diseases related to smoking.

If God doesn't abide and deliver the smoker...God doesn't abide and deliver the fat saint either. The point is...you're the one excusing one sin and being soft on the other. We're being consistent in that we firmly believe that God deals with the smoking saint, convicting them to change, just as he deals with the obese saint, convicting them to change. In our perspective both are equal sins that damage the body. In both circumstances God's grace and delivering power abounds. We treat them equally...you're condemning saints the struggle with smoking...while excusing saints that struggle with obesity, over eating, or unhealthy eating. This is made worse when being obese and not eating right is killing far more people in America than smoking.

You're straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel ... with extra cheese and french fries.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I like the way brother Epley put it. No one saved smokes.

I am sure in 123 pages it has already been said that addiction is what will ........ a person, not smoking in and of itself...although it is a putrid, disgusting, and filthy.

Any addiction is a worship of flesh.

I remember our church softball team, a few of us went into a Conoco just before and low and behold they had a spearmint leaf chew...We thought we were so cool putting a pinch of mint between our cheek and gum spitting...it was kind of silly actually...I used to chew Beech Nut in the Summers and College playing baseball.

Those who have never been "addicted" to nicotine have no idea what smokers endure. Nicotine is more addictive than heroine. The addict needs grace and deliverance...not the condemnation Eply so proudly dishes out.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That has NOTHING to do with this subject. If everyone was a glutton it would not make adultery alright.
Smoking is a sin and no one saved smokes period. A glutton can ease up onm their eating a smoker cannot just ease up on their smoking it is not the same.

Respectfully, that's a cop out, plain and simple. It absolutely has everything to do with this subject because the scriptural basis used in this thread is the defilement of the temple of the Holy Ghost, our bodies. Other posters and I have simply asked if the defilement of gluttony, or any other defilements you'd care to list, would end in someone being eternally damned to hell.

The link is irrefutable. Defilement equals smoking cigarettes and defilement also equals gluttony, and any number of other harmful things. To this point, you've chose to side step the question.

You can say you don't want to answer or something else, but to continue to say the two have "NOTHING" to do with one another is disingenuous, IMO.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Those who have never been "addicted" to nicotine have no idea what smokers endure. Nicotine is more addictive than heroine. The addict needs grace and deliverance...not the condemnation Eply so proudly dishes out.

You know I was thinking about this during church tonight and really this issue has more to do with the following scripture moreso than the "Body is a temple of the Holy Spirit..." concept and that is...

"Thou shall have no other Gods before me."

Man cannot serve a nicotine addiction and the Lord at the same time.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Respectfully, that's a cop out, plain and simple. It absolutely has everything to do with this subject because the scriptural basis used in this thread is the defilement of the temple of the Holy Ghost, our bodies. Other posters and I have simply asked if the defilement of gluttony, or any other defilements you'd care to list, would end in someone being eternally damned to hell.

The link is irrefutable. Defilement equals smoking cigarettes and defilement also equals gluttony, and any number of other harmful things. To this point, you've chose to side step the question.

You can say you don't want to answer or something else, but to continue to say the two have "NOTHING" to do with one another is disingenuous, IMO.

By the same token, some would say that your line of reasoning is justification to allow smoking as a peripheral part of the Christian walk.

I disagree. See above.

[Steve Epley]

I have not excused gluttony however EATING is NOT a sin overeating without control is sinful however sucking on ONE cigarette is a sin.

[AbundantGrace]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have not excused gluttony however EATING is NOT a sin overeating without control is sinful however sucking on ONE cigarette is a sin.

I was in a very nationally known, big named UPC pastor's home in Lake Charles, Louisiana a number of years ago. The man has to weigh in the neighborhood of 400 lbs. No exaggerating. I think a lot of this man, however in my presence, I watched him eat over 3 1/2 whole chickens in one evening, not to mention the beans, potato salad, desert and sweet tea. This is not an unusual event for this man. Yet, he preaches at camp meetings and conferences around the world. What, King Epley, is the difference in that LIFESTYLE and him smoking 1 cigarette? Which is worse?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by AbundantGrace

I was in a very nationally known, big named UPC pastor's home in Lake Charles, Louisiana a number of years ago. The man has to weigh in the neighborhood of 400 lbs. No exaggerating. I think a lot of this man, however in my presence, I watched him eat over 3 1/2 whole chickens in one evening, not to mention the beans, potato salad, desert and sweet tea. This is not an unusual event for this man. Yet, he preaches at camp meetings and conferences around the world. What, King Epley, is the difference in that LIFESTYLE and him smoking 1 cigarette? Which is worse?

I am not excusing gluttony however this changes nothing about this subject.