Why I break the law

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

When Jesus established a New Covenant he established new laws, just like it says in Hebrews. It is not only wrong to murder under the New Covenant you can't hate your brother either. If it is only found in the law it stays there.

Baron, you are going to have a hard time proving this, Brother. I've already posted some scriptures that are referring to the OT. Here's a little something for you to think about. The Law, in and of itself, is not a covenant. A covenant is an agreement between two parties. The old covenant was that man would follow the law and offer sacrifices any time he broke that law. The new agreement is that man has faith in the sacrifice God made to fulfill His own law, and He will credit man as if He had followed all the law.

[ReformedDave]

It's interesting that in several places John and Paul quote from the case law of the OT as it is relevant and binding. BTW, where do we get the understanding that bestiality is wrong?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

Baron, you are going to have a hard time proving this, Brother. I've already posted some scriptures that are referring to the OT. Here's a little something for you to think about. The Law, in and of itself, is not a covenant. A covenant is an agreement between two parties. The old covenant was that man would follow the law and offer sacrifices any time he broke that law. The new agreement is that man has faith in the sacrifice God made to fulfill His own law, and He will credit man as if He had followed all the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

Did the priesthood change?

The law is part of the covenant, read Exodus 19:5 it is an agreement between two parties, God and Israel. Israel's part was to obey the laws that were given immediately afterwards. It was a performance based covenant.

As for your last point God doesn't fill us with his Spirit to obey the law.

Where in Scripture does it say only the sacrificial part of the law is done away with. Under your view you have to keep all of the laws including the dietary laws. The law has been described as a piece of glass you can't break a part of it if you break it your guilty of breaking the whole law.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

It's interesting that in several places John and Paul quote from the case law of the OT as it is relevant and binding. BTW, where do we get the understanding that bestiality is wrong?

I would like to know exactly what you are referring to with John and Paul. That is all the Scripture they had, and they were making application to the New Covenant but I don't see where they commanded us to keep the law.

Sex with anyone (or anything) other than your spouse is a sin. That would be New Covenant.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

Did the priesthood change?

The law is part of the covenant, read Exodus 19:5 it is an agreement between two parties, God and Israel. Israel's part was to obey the laws that were given immediately afterwards. It was a performance based covenant.

As for your last point God doesn't fill us with his Spirit to obey the law.

Where in Scripture does it say only the sacrificial part of the law is done away with. Under your view you have to keep all of the laws including the dietary laws. The law has been described as a piece of glass you can't break a part of it if you break it your guilty of breaking the whole law.

Baron, I don't think you're getting what I am saying. Answer me this one question: If you break one of the Ten Commandments, are you committing a sin?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

Baron, I don't think you're getting what I am saying. Answer me this one question: If you break one of the Ten Commandments, are you committing a sin?

which one?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I would like to know exactly what you are referring to with John and Paul. That is all the Scripture they had, and they were making application to the New Covenant but I don't see where they commanded us to keep the law.

Sex with anyone (or anything) other than your spouse is a sin. That would be New Covenant.

That would be the New Covenant affirming what had already been established in the Old Covenant, Baron.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

which one?

Pick any one you want. Can you break one of the Ten Commandments and it not be a sin?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

That would be the New Covenant affirming what had already been established in the Old Covenant, Baron.

Not affirming, establishing the New. Just because there are similar teachings in both doesn't make the Law of the Old Covenant something we follow.

Rico have you ever wrote a contract? Almost every contract dealing with the same general topic has items that are the same, but I can’t take a contract with Pepsi and enforce it against Coke. I have to apply the contract with Coke, and it may have some identical clauses but it is not the Pepsi contract.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

Pick any one you want. Can you break one of the Ten Commandments and it not be a sin?

I think My Pepsi/Coke contract answers your question.