Again no! He was God in flesh. GOD does not contradict his own laws. The LAWS of God are forever at work it showed who he was! As God was at work therefore I work! They are miss applying the LAW to him. His telling a man to carry up his bed was a sign of his Lordship! Also the Sabbath is a SIGN of the covenant as is circumcision. These in themselves are not moral or character aspects of God. Thus can change form and did in the NC. Jesus did not break God's character as he was following and doing what God led him to do thus he could not break GOD'S LAW as he was God himself. Just as we will do as the Spirit leads us which is to fulfill law/God's will. That they may be one as though are in me and I in thee.
I'm really sorry your having trouble fitting your theology around that verse in John.
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Also he did not break the law he broke mens rules and perceptions and adding to thus making them equal with God. They perverted the word by adding to!
Exactly!
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Your posts make me tired reading them once is enough.
John clearly says he broke the sabbath.
Which indicates to me that the old law had passed away. The law and the prophets were until John. Jesus' ministry was a transitional time between the Old and the New Covenants.
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
If you discount what the Scripture actually says sure.
Can you repost your specific question? I am leaving soon but it will make for a fun day tomorrow
What question? You mean the one about you having a better understanding of my position?
BTW, it's funny you use this argument with him when I pointed out that Jesus said Moses allowed divorce because of the hardness of their hearts. Dat's in the Bible too, ya know.
He told the man to take up his bed a direct violation of the law not to carry a burden on the Sabbath.
Not only that I have already explained those are the inspired words of God not the recording of what the Jews thought. In the same sentence he says Jesus made himself equal with God was that wrong too?
To go point by point of the major themes of why Jesus did not break the law.
1) Jesus was doing the work of God.
2) Jesus was God manifested thus reflected God's will
3) No where in the law does the Sabbath restrict God's actions.
4) No where in the law does it restrict man to respond to God to not do his work.
5) The law restricted man's labor or work not God's through man.
6) To follow or do the will of God is not man's works or labor but God's work.
7) Jesus who was the extension of God made flesh told the man to take up his bed. Thus the man did not break the sabbath as he only heeded to what Jesus said which was by the authority of God.
8) They falsely claimed a breaking of the sabbath as they misapplied the law to the Holy One of Israel who was not under authority of the Sabbath as the Law or God's promise never restricted him to not do the things he did.
In the end nobody broke the law given by God and Christs actions prove his authority as the Lord of the Sabbath and God manifested in the flesh.
According to Baron, Jesus isn't the Jewish Messiah
Nice wind up thread, Baron. You've got people jumping.
You have every reason to be proud because your posts in this thread can only make a Jewish person come to the conclusion that Jesus does not meet the criteria for being the Messiah as found in the First Covenant. Anyone reading the posts from you and the other anti-Torah posters in this thread show Jesus to be a Sabbath-breaking, Torah-transgressing Mosaic Covenant rebel who does not meet the criteria to be the Jewish Messiah.
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I’m not a scholar, just a crazy Jewish Believer who wants to see no one deceived and everyone saved.
Shalom uv’racha b’shem Yeshua Mishikheinu!
Peace and blessings unto you in the Name of Yeshua, Our Messiah!
I have no interest in pretending to be Jewish... I liken it to the white suburban kids who try to be black. I'm a Caucasian of Irish descent, not sure why I would want to be Jewish, or Italian, or Russian, or German, etc. I'm happy with my actual heritage and do not need a pretend one.
In the eyes of G-d, you're not Irish, Murphy. Paul says you're a Jew. You're also an adopted son of Abraham. Hmm, Brad Murphstein; you know, it suits you!
People who obey Torah don't consider themselves to be Jewish; they consider themselves to be obedient.
Shalom shalom, Brad Murphstein!
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I’m not a scholar, just a crazy Jewish Believer who wants to see no one deceived and everyone saved.
Shalom uv’racha b’shem Yeshua Mishikheinu!
Peace and blessings unto you in the Name of Yeshua, Our Messiah!
Rico,
Ask yourself why 2 books of the New Testament were written about the law passing away, being inferior, and not for today. In context Paul’s reference to another Gospel is those who would force Christians to obey the law.
If righteousness was found in the law then Christ dies in vain.
Bro Baron, what version are you quoting from? tks, B/L
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ: Jesus bore away my sins, my sickness, and my poverty. That covers it all. Everything else is just legalism.
Dat's in the Bible too, ya know.
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